July 26, 2005
We Need To Have A Chat About Kate.
By now you’ve all heard about Kate’s homophobic idiocy on last night’s Uncut. Before I kick this post off though, I should mention that I haven’t seen the footage of the post boypash conversation personally as I was busy having a farewell dinner with my sister and nephew* last night. I’m having to go from website reports on what happened.
Anyway, let’s kick off with a transcript of the chat thanks to Cheeky from the Behind Big Brother Forums. Follow the link and you’ll be able to see Kate’s explanation as to why she has the following attitude - for those who can’t be bothered clicking, it can be summed up with “gay boyfriend during teenage years”.
Christie: One more. A bit of tongue and a bit longer.
Rita: A bit of tongue!
Kate: No I’ll be.. I’ll vomit! No! A thousand times satisfied, that was disgus - I’m homophobic.
Greg: It’s majority rules; relax.
Rita: There’s a difference between a kiss and a pash. That was just a kiss.
Kate: That was the biggest pash I’ve seen in my whole entire life!
Greg: No it was a slow… It was good.
Christie: Yeah, that was good.
Mel: Have you ever grabbed a f…
Kate: I’m homophobic! That really freakin scared the shit out of me.
Greg: Yeah because I’m a bloke kissing another bloke…
Rita: If I had to kiss a chick, it wouldn’t matter.
Greg: Yeah I know that! It doesn’t matter, it’s sexy for that to happen.
Rita: You know what Dave? I mean Greg. It’s sexy for chicks to watch that too!
Kate: No it’s NOT!
Rita: It is for me.
Kate: Oh my G-d, I was so … ewwww
Rita: It turns me on when guys pash.
Kate: The truth is when it comes to boy on boy, it really scares the..
Rita: It wasn’t a pash, it was kinda like a (kissing sound)
Kate: Why does it make you angry to hear me say that?
Tim: Well, cause I just think… someone like you, as enlightened as you are, should not have those attitudes. That is so stupid to even say that.
Kate: But it is so real.
Tim: Just because something is hard to accept does not not mean … Homophobia is a term which refers to hate. And you don’t hate it and I don’t know why you would label yourself like that and … You’re an open minded person, with liberal ideas and I don’t know why you would say that about yourself. It’s stupid, it’s not something to joke about. I don’t think it’s something to joke about.
Kate: I’m not joking, it really fears me.
Tim: You don’t hate it though; homophobia is about hate.
Kate: I hate it.
Tim: Just because you find it icky… YOU HATE IT?
Greg: What happened … I don’t hate it
Kate: I don’t hate it but I hate seeing it.
Greg: I’ve got a lot of mates that are gay…
Kate: I don’t like seeing it.
Greg: That doesn’t, that doesn’t …
Rita: It doesn’t mean hate. It means fear. It does mean fear.
Greg: I’ve got mates that are gay, man.
Tim: It probably does mean fear.
Kate: It is a fear; it’s not a hate. I fear it. I personally fear it.
Greg: Why do you fear it?
Kate: Because I’ve had it … You don’t understand. I fear it.
Greg: You’ve had what?
Kate: You know what I’ve had.
Tim: I think some of your phobias and some of your dislikes are… I won’t use the word manufactured, but I certainly think an indulgence. And I …
Kate: Absolutely! It’s a substance of society. I can see a naked woman and be fine with it.
Tim: It’s not a substance of society.
Kate: It is!
Tim: What I’m saying is you allow yourself, from not pulling yourself together, to wallow in them like a buffalo in a swampy river. Prejudice is not something to allow yourself, to enjoy because it …
Kate: I don’t disendow it, I just prefer not to see it. I don’t want to be around it.
Mel: Yep, and there are some sides of homosexuality that she does fear.
Rita: Can I just say something?
Kate: I totally fear it. I felt sick when you did that. Seriously, my stomach felt sick. The fact that you didn’t put your hand up there and pretend to do it made me feel sick.
Tim: That’s not the spirit of what we were asked to do.
Kate: Fuck the spirit. It was a man kissing another man.
Tim: But at the end of the day, I didn’t particularly want to kiss Greg, but…
Kate: Regardless, you did!
Greg: Yeah .. Wait a min, wait wait wait hang on…
Kate: If you didn’t want to do it, you would would have put your hand there.
Greg: For fucks sake.
THINGS WE CAN CONCLUDE FROM THE ABOVE TRANSCRIPT
* Homophobia is so boring and shit.
* Besides, everyone knows gay is the new black.
* In fact, it’s trendy to be gay. By the way, follow that link and read the article when you get a moment. It’ll remind you of how sanctimonious, self-righteous and cunty people can be.
* But back to Big Brother!
* Kate is an idiot.
* Kate will not win Big Brother now.
* Tim is utterly wonderful.
* Tim is also far too patient when it comes to Kate.
* Greg’s attitude has surprised and impressed me.
* Mel should be quiet.
* No, Rita. You are simply physically unable to “just say something” - not without rambling on for hours at a time. I love that everyone ignored her when she began pleading for attention. Good thinking, team.
Oh, Thatcher-Birdcunt. What were you thinking? Buggerfuck, indeed. Since Kate’s up for eviction this week (along with the delightfully insane and shouty Vesna and the Marlee Matlin-voiced Melanie) it’s fair to say that Kate’s stance on The Gays will be the final nail in her Big Brother coffin. Some may insist Kate was just expressing the fact that she doesn’t get turned on (unlike - shudder - Rita) by men kissing and that this isn’t the same as homophobia. However, Kate’s repeated (and proud, from all reports) declarations of “I’m homophobic. I hate it. It makes me sick.” tend to speak for themselves.
REASONS TO VOTE KATE OUT
* She has serious issues with gay men!
* She strings Tim along (and he lets her, but shh)!
* She’s a conservative!
* She gets jealous of people feeding the pigs!
Fair reasons indeed. I’m all for Kate losing Big Brother and getting grilled by a gays-loving Gretel at her eviction, swear to God. However…
COMPELLING REASONS TO KEEP KATE IN ANOTHER WEEK
* If she stays in just one more week, I will be at her eviction. Wearing a shirt that says “Boys Will
As ever, I leave it in the public’s hands. Seriously - Kate is shit and needs to go… but can’t it be when I’m there to heckle her personally? Can’t it, God?
(slaps self)
Sorry. I needed that. I was being selfish. Vote Thatcher-Birdcunt out and feel good about it. Besides, as my dearest fellow Big Brother addict pointed out to me this morning, if Kate’s out this week it means she’ll be signing autographs at the cocktail party before the show I will be attending. Which ought to make it easier to spit out a pithy one-liner at her before primly informing her Tim is now considered a heartthrob and her taste in men absolutely blows goats. Then, right before I haughtily turn away, I’ll slip her a note that says “I do respect your focused and frantic method of masturbating in the sauna though.”
Sounds like a plan, I reckon.
* Just to share, they’re heading back to London this morning. I should mention I have the coolest seven year old nephew in the world. When we walked into the church for my other sister’s wedding in Perth, he began loudly singing “I’ve got soul but I’m not a soldier.” He enthusiastically chats to me about the merits of Bloc Party (who he “managed to catch” at the London Astoria not long ago) and this morning as we said goodbye, he assured me he’d miss me and loves me “but in a mates way” since girls are gross. Good god! Still, I fucking love how rock and roll he is. Posted by Jess at July 26, 2005 03:31 PM
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There’s a discussion happening about that conversation on livejournal’s BB community. It’s worth reading if you didn’t see the footage, because Kate went into some depth about her reasons for being homophobic after the above transcript.
Not that it makes what she said okay, of course… it’s just good to know where somebody is coming from.
I saw it, and the main point that I got from it is that she’s got an irrational fear of gay men, rather than a hate for them. I think it’s an important difference.
Anyway, here’s the URL. http://www.livejournal.com/community/bigbrother_au/202642.html
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YOU MEAN LIZJOURNAL. Not Livejournal.
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Additionally, I note that Jess actually began her post by citing a link to Kate’s unconvincing explanation for her homophobia.
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So I see. The purpose of my link was to point to some other discussion on the issue, both pro- and anti-Kate.
What’s the problem?
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There’s no “problem” - I just thought you appeared to have missed the fact that the post already made reference to Kate’s explanation as to “where she was coming from”, which was why you had originally said you were directing people off to the Lizjournals discussion.
I also disagree that an “irrational fear” of gays is different to hating us, in practical terms. Irrational fear of any group can lead to the same discriminatory or violent outcome as hatred of that group.
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I agree that irrational fear of any group can lead to discriminatory or violent outcomes. My fear of spiders leads to their death pretty much 100% of the time.
You can’t tell somebody to stop being afraid of something, it’s pointless. Fear operates on a subconscious level and logic rarely does.
So how do you combat your irrational fears? You talk about them. You explain how you feel to others and seek alternative viewpoints. You admit your weaknesses. You try and pinpoint their origins. I guess you also try and expose yourself gradually to the source of your fear. If you can do all that, you’re in a position to critically judge yourself and improve on what you’re doing.
The way I saw it, Kate did all of those things (except the last, which will come). She said plenty of inflammatory things in the process, but she was also pretty distressed at the time. I don’t identify at all with her opinion, but I took all of her comments into consideration, not just the bits that made for good TV.
(Incidentally, kudos to Tim for cutting through the crap she was going on with, and getting to the root of what she was saying. Saved us all a lot of time.)
She was upset by the situation, right or wrong. She talked to her friends about it. It’s a pity that more of us don’t expose our weaknesses like that, maybe we’d get somewhere as a species.
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Kate’s reasons are quite irrelevant when you consider the way she reacted. If she has an “irrational fear”, no matter the reason, then it’s her responsibilty to find a way to deal with it, rather than just accepting it for what it is and taking that out on other people. Why should others put up with her screwing up her face and whining that they should ‘put your hand over your mouth?’ when having a bit of harmless fun?
How would kate have reacted if she had have gotton it on with one of the guys in the house, and someone else stalked out of the room saying they felt sick to their stomach because their partner dumped them when they were 16, and now they can’t bear to see 2 heterosexuals kissing? I’m sure Kate would quite rightly have thought that person to be a bit of a twat.
I also found her whole story about her gay ex-boyfriend very selfish. The guy was most likely utterly confused by his sexuality and probably spent years trying to struggle through his feelings, yet all she seemed concerned about was her own trauma (because of course, Kate was the first 16 year old in the history of the universe to have a relationship fall through.)
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Jess, your little dude nephew sounds too cool. I love the cute dude boys. My dude nephew is now 11 and makes up rap and beat box performances. When he was about 3 he picked up a nasty habit from Robert DiNero (spelling?) via his Kindy, namely the “you lookin at me”. I love secretly listening to the dudes chat together, so funny. Dude boy had a girlfriend for a week, now they have had a tiff over a multicoloured pen:(
Uptight Kate is giving me the creeps and now - heavens above - I’m starting to feel sorry for Crusty Christie having to put up with her all that time. At least Crusty was a funny fool in many ways and a free spirit.
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I did happen to watch Uncut last night and unfortunately had to witness little Thatcher’s ‘display’. Was good in one respect - she finally convinced me that she really is a self-absorbed little brat that will stoop to any level to rile people up. I think she probably is a little bit homophobic, but without doubt her main intent was needle Tim by lashing out on a topic that she knows he feels passionate about. And what a little hole she dug for herself. What is perhaps worse, she put stop to beefcake Logan and Tim going round three with a little tongue action swoons. What a vindictive mean-spirited little cow she is
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kate, get over it, it’s not all about you! i kinda like the chick, but don’t you think you should have more compassion for some guy you went out with who probably thought you were a cool chick and would understand that he was struggling with who he was, not say “he went gay cos of me” attitude… he was always gay, get over it… self fricken absorbed… i have so many friends who were gay who dated cool chicks, who were in a way stoked that they came out and proud of them cos they actually dated people cos they liked thier personalites and could understand that the guys weren’t gay because of them but because they always were and … blah blah blah.. i’m ranting… enjoy the fact you were a beard…fricken katie holmes is! maybe kate is just shitty cos she’s not being paid eight million and getting a career boost from it… haha anyway… blah blah blah i’m ranting… i hate homophobia and self indulgent “it’s okay i’m homophobic cos when i was fourteen my boyfriend from then went gay seven years later… “what fricken ever….
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No gays in this series or the last and now this. The little slice of homoerotic entertainment to be had was ruined by Evil-JohnHowardLoving-Kate. Just because she is an ex fag hag.
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Actually, I’ve seen more same-sex snogging this series than in previous years. And maybe none of the housemates consider themselves to be exclusively gay, but Geneva is hardly straight.
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In case anyone wants to bother with the 32MB download to see the footage for themselves, I’ve uploaded the video file to YouSendIt:
http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0OECL38CMVV801FNALMMP5FOYI
(Same file as the one created by Viddy on Behind Big Brother, I just couldn’t find his post again.)
Kate’s a cunty bitch but I still find her hot so long as she’s gagged. If her eternal damnation is to spend it with lesbians, I’ll be up for it.
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I think part of the problem is the word homophobic. Just because it is part of the range of phobias, people treat it different. For example: ‘I’m afraid of snakes, which is an irrational and untreatable fear, so homophobes must be unable to change their fear of gays’. This mentality is dangerous. With Kate, sure, she’s had a bad experience which might make her more cautious when she picks men to date in the future, but to be afraid of two men kissing (Greg & Tim, who are hardly her boyfriends) because it makes her feel less feminine and seductive is a pathetic attitude.
I think it takes a strong person to have grown up with parents/community who have the anti-gay sentiment and to be able to realise that is wrong and learn tolerance. Kate, however, shows weakness - one crappy experience as a teen makes her ‘hate’ an entire group of people.
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Homophobes like Kate are the same people who don’t let their little boys kiss their daddy’s goodnight, which leads to emotional stunted-ness and men not being able to relate to their emotions and to women and inevitably to asshattery.
Go Tim. Sigh …
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I’m starting to like Kate now. I don’t really agree with her views on homosexuality, but I like the fact she’s starting to be controversial. To be honest, I get no enjoyment from watching blokes making out either, but I fully support their right to do it if they wish. Incidentally, watching Rita getting it on with someone would be equally awful on the eye too. What a pig of an individual she truely is!
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hey ausculture
kate is a moron, simple as that. this and her views on the Opera House “no war” incident were ridiculous, from memory.
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katephobia
you know what, kate is a dickhead. She’s acting like a stupid child who thinks it is cool to hate something.
Like, Cottee Cordial is so out, yuck, i can’t believe it. She sounds like a 9yo trying to be sophisticated, even though she clearly isn’t (sophisticated).
Tim and Greg are now hot. swoon.
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I reckon she’s in denial - flirts with Tim but never goes further, wanks off with Christie, and has a problem with gay people (sounds like someone needs to admit something to themselves).
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The more I read all the comments, the more I feel sorry for Kate. I don’t think we have enough info to condemn the poor girl.
Often something that is traumatic to one person, is insignificant to another. The reaction that Kate had seem more in line with a PTSD reaction than plain prejudice. She acknowledged she was more comfortable with girls kissing than boys which make her physically sick.
This physical reaction is not usual for a bigot. Instead of running a hate campaign against Kate (which is just reversing the bigotry), why not use it as an opportunity to provide information and provoke constructive discussion. Open up the issue, get people talking bout similar issues in their own lives and different ways of handling it.
Hate promotes hate. You will never make a real difference this way. You may get Kate booted out of the house (so Tim can win!!!!!) but you won’t make any difference to the more important issue of dealing with prejudice within the community.
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this is the other reason for the ten thousand missed calls you found from me on your mobile late last night.
i was thoroughly speechless (and kinda horny) from the whole conversation.
rita must go. borderline retarded melanie must go. rita MUST go.
tim and greg must fall in love and win the comp together and use the prize money to fund big gay charity events.
its all too much.
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Kate
I seem to get the feeling that Kate: - hasn’t got a grasp of language - caught her boyfriend cheating on her with another guy.
I wish she’d say things outright rather than pussyfoot around them. If she was open, her attitudes might make sense.
Go Tim!
And once again Timmy the lionhearted giant killer is the voice of reason and all that is good - and being so good he even attempted to save kate from her own foolishness. I have my suspicions this is the beginnning of the BB campaign for Timmy to win. His numbers are slipping to Ves the wild funny woman. BB actually needs Timmy to win for good to triumph over the evil that has dominated inside the house during this poxy series. Get rid of Kate, the unrequited love is getting boring and not doing Timmy much good. This, plus all of the other nasty Kate tid-bits along the way, must surely have put a lid on that desire? Then Greg & Ves will need to be brought down a peg or 2. Then sign Timmy & Ves to host their own late night chat show in the Uplate timeslot, called Hallelujah!!!! (I heard a rumour Kate’s hero Vin Diesel is gay? That he has a male partner and they have dogs they treat like babies - is this real?)