July 1, 2006

How come nothing happened to Gaelen. He shoulda gone too... I reckon his stupid comment is just as sick as what they did. It's that attitude that women have had to fight about for years... gross.

GOOD LORD.

That is hideous!!

And just wait until the Libs/Family First/standards peeps get a hold of this.

Jeebus.

Were they drunk? What PLANET are they living on?

Camilla will DEFINITELY win now!!

On the plus side they won't get any prizes now. Give Camilla a slap on the back, oh, sorry!

Seriously gross though, I hope for her sake he had a shower recently.

That's disgusting. And I liked John...it's also pretty weird. John was consoling Camilla mere hours ago, after her fight with Perry.

I'm glad they got kicked out. I hated John anyway, but that is just downright disgusting and degrading to camilla and the other HMs.

I'm crushed. I was totally in love with Ashley...

I think this will seal the fate of bigbrother and I doubt it will come on again after this. BB may be even forced off air prematurely before the end of the series.

I agree that Gaelen should be given a punishment too.

The next task should be to go back to school and have classes about sexual assault and what constitutes appropriate and inappropriate behaviour. Australian men need this training!!

BB should be stopped. It is noting special and now these things are happening. A bunch of young adults sitting in a house for 4 months and getting paid a million bucks to do it for the winner plus all the raido/tv contracts they get!!!

What has the world come to?!

They should be ashamed of themselves. We women have to fight against this type of thing every day and for them as role models to people just shows what pigs they are.

I think this will seal the fate of bigbrother and I doubt it will come on again after this. BB may be even forced off air prematurely before the end of the series.

I agree that Gaelen should be given a punishment too.

The next task should be to go back to school and have classes about sexual assault and what constitutes appropriate and inappropriate behaviour. Australian men need this training!!

If Ten/Endemol don't come out with the REAL reason John and Ashley were booted (other than that wishy washy statement) then they are fucked in the head.

I hope they do extensive saturation campaigns during BB06 featuring the "Australia Says No" ads.

I hope Camilla got offered councilling?

I agree i think gaelan should be punished to.also i think jamie has been given way to many chances

If the story is right, I'm particularly keen for these guys to be prosecuted. The Queensland DPP should be putting the hard word on the producers for all the available footage of the incident. It will be interesting to see how much co-operation they get.

My thoughts here.

Dirty little so and so's! This proves how bad society is getting in this day and age. And just how disrespectful some males are towards females.

The reason that Camilla didn't want to talk about it later, was that she didn't want it to get made into a big deal. 5-10 minutes later after she said that, Ash and John were called into the Diary Room.

Were they on crack? Are they St Kilda players? What the fuck? Notice that the officail bb site has shut down the forums, and enforced a delay to stop anyone speaking about it. Cue Gretel with the most insincere apology cover up tomorrow night. Fucking pathetic. it will be hard to do Rove from a jail cell, hope they have asked camilla if she wants to press charges.

Dave: I don't think that they would need Camilla to press charges - there should be plenty of evidence to charge these guys whether or not Camilla wants to be involved.

I think that the people watching in the control area of bb should have called the Camilla to the diary room and then called boys and really found out from them what had happen. Then waiting until the boys start talking about it with the other boys. There should have had something done straight away and evicted them then. Then waiting until over 15 hours to evict them. I did not matter if Camilla did anything to the boys the fact that they held her down is enough.

if true, isn't it grounds for assault?

Amy, I hardly believe you are turkey slapped every day. Sexual harrassment goes both ways.

As for this incident, Big Brother supplied ample amounts of alcohol to the housemates before the incident. That in itself is quite irresponsible. Yes the housemates are adults, but when you visit a nightclub/bar, the staff must refuse to serve you if they see fit. Big Brother should be no different. Big Brother could well have prevented this incident from occurring.

Further to this, Big Brother gave Camilla the task of kissing all of the housemates. Under normal circumstances, this could be seen as sexual harassment. Obviously some house mates refused, I'm not sure if Camilla forced herself upon them, but if she had of done this, Big Brother essentially pressured her to commit sexual harrassment.

Big Brother should start realising the consequences of such tasks and their effects on housemates.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Cockslapgate 2006.

Asterisk: I'm not sure whether you're trying to excuse John and Ashley, but it kind of sounds like you are. It doesn't matter how much you've drunk, or who has given you the alcohol, you're still responsible for your own behaviour. BB might be irresponsible too, in various ways, but the men in question still chose to behave the way that they did, and they could have chosen differently.

Camilla was probably begging for it, its obvious shes a cock starved slut from what shes said in the past, john and ash should get a million each and should sue camilla for getting close to his cock the skanky whore

Wasn't there a guy last year that assaulted Vesna in a similar way? (but not as extreme) and he got rewarded for it with his own TV show - Disgusted

"shagger": Been on any cruises lately?

its absolutely disgusting and completely degrading i hope they do get charges pressed against them. they deserve more than that. poor camilla. no girl ever asks to be treated that way and no guy should ever be under the impression that a girl is just asking for it.

its a disgrace to australia

"“We are all very close in the house and we would never do anything to offend our fellow housemates."

Translation: "I'm sorry, I didn't realise rubbing my cock in your face was frowned on in this household."

dan- you're right. in australia its not up to the person to press charges but up to the 'state' (cops) to do so if they have sufficent evidence to make a case

to onyone who thinks what they did is not wrong, well i saw it on streaming and i tell you the pictures do not show sound and she was called over by the boys to see them for a min, she was already in another bed, ready to sleep when they called her over. and when john held her down she said what are you doing and then after the wanking penis thing she told them that was not nice. try put your self in her place. she did try to not talk about it. woman and men should never have to be made to feel uneasy. cheers

The sadest part is poor Camilla is stuck in that house even now unable to get the support she needs and deserves from friends and family.

It is a no win situation for her.

If she is forced to leave so she can deal with it - they win even more due to no fault of her own.

If she doesnt - she is stuck in isolation with only people shes known a short while to talk to.

In a way not only did John deprive her liberty by holding her down, but also big brother for keeping her in there did and still is too.

No woman should go through what she had to or is still going through!

Imagine how she feels stuck in there right now with that on her mind - Poor girl.

Imagine how she would feel also if she had to give up what shes put months of her life into thanks to a couple of pathetic beings.

No matter what happens from here Camilla suffers.

shes prolly sucking gaelen and jamies cocks right now

John was my favourite! Damn... DAMN DAMN DAMN!

I just hope there is no back lash against Camilla. I'm so glad those boys have gone, I know they probably did mean it to be serious but it is. Proves their immaturity and no consideration for others. I also hope that if Camilla does win that this incident won't be said by people to be the reason.

For fucks sake - anyone going on that show is asking for something like this. Poor dear. Why anyone watches it is beyond me.

You could be right about immaturity but they ARE adults not children and aware what is right and wrong in todays society.

They signed a contract with no sexually harrassing apparently so they were aware what they were about to do was wrong and did it anyway.

They may have been sheltered the last few months but they wernt the rest of their lives!

Camilla needed a good slap. she was all over ash yet she didnt get punished she also pinned him down but since its a chick being harrassed by a guy harsher methods are used! John and ash were great house mates camilla is just a fat whore

Camilla needed a good slap. she was all over ash yet she didnt get punished she also pinned him down but since its a chick being harrassed by a guy harsher methods are used! John and ash were great house mates camilla is just a fat whore

Camilla asked for it did she?? she did not hold Ash down and shove her tits or her pussy in his face.. nor did she end up kissing him, she left it alone after he refused so much!

What they did was wrong, weather they had been drinking or not drinking, it was a total disrespect for her and everyone else in the house, how anyone can come on here and condone or defend there actions is beyound me, that is not harmless fun! and so they deserved to be kicked out!

Although it will probably be the last big brother series if they dont even cut it earlier, however It is a shame just because 2 people did something wrong the rest have to suffer!

I tip my hat to Big Brother for his actions following the events that should disgust all Australians.

For once Big Brother has punished the housemates like they should have been many times. Should there be further punishment for these two Housemates ? I say yes.

Throw the book at Twitchy John and Car Crazy Ash. They should be prosecuted to the full extent of the Law outside the BB house.

Any person that sees what these two men did to Camilla as a joke should be ashamed of yourselves. No one deserves to be treating like this no matter how "slutty" you deem them to be.

And in regards to Gaelans comments, he should be punished to the same extent as the other two were in the house. He is condoning sexual assult on women and that is not right.

Good Bye Big Brother, Night Gretel and Mikey G i am going to miss you.

What a fitting end for this degenerate show if it gets canned because of this.

Wake up Australia you G-dless whore. Look at what your sons and daughters have become.

Spengler was right.

To some of the posters on this site, Do you also believe that a woman who shows a bit of cleavage or wears a short skirt is also asking for it? So camilla is comfortable with her sexuality, she asked for it, grow up fer fucks.

Charges? Councilling? Haven't any of you people lived in the real world with a bunch of friends? Had a night on the grog and played up a bit. I'm sure an apology from the boys would make Camilla happy. That you're all trying to make a mountain out of a molehill......public pressure of what she should do on how you yourself would feel about this is probably what she'll need councilling about. Just leave it alone and she'll be fine. If she wanted something done about it, I'm sure she would have spoken up. I imagine BB has given her every opportunity to, including councilling and pressing charges. It would be a legal requirement. We/I watch BB to see what the youth of today get up to. But to crucify the show/housemates when it ever gets past a G-rating just makes it unreal and a lie. If you really don't like what goes on, don't watch or do you just watch to condemn it? It seems that way.

Not Cricket, and no harmless prank either.

As an act of pennance, the two should should spend half an hour with me. I'm six'two and built like a brick shithouse. Big Brother will have to provide glass eyes and splints of course, as I'd blind the little fuckstains and break their arms. ...and no, I don't think that's excessive.If there's one silly old cliche that my grandad taught me that I still hold dear, It's that women should be respected.

Give me five minutes with them Big Brother,...please.

Camilla was actually giggling as if she really wants it. She is a dirty scum whore. No wonder if she wants the guys back.

Owl this is not something that has been showed or will be shown, this is something they do not want to discuss further and dont want to get out of the bag, well little they can do about it getting out of the bag cause it is.

Is it something that you have done before after a big night out? hold a female friend down and slap her in the face with your dick? raises eyebrows I dont consider that playing up a bit.

I have had LOTS of nights on the town out with my friends which mainly consist of males none of them have ever held me down and slapped me with a dick, that is not harmless fun in my book, nor does it show respect for another, what camilla does is tottally her choice, but as for it being just harmless fun I think not, that is over stepping the mark plain and simple!

Oh GIRL, dont worry about OWL, It's all a joke to him.

'SLAP SLAP'

How does it feel to have my cock slapped over your face Owl?. Stop complaining bitch, It's just a bit of harmless fun remember?.

'SLAP SLAP'

You enjoying this OWL?, It's only harmless boyish hijinx after all. Do you like being slapped in the face with my cock?.

It's a shame Camilla didn't have a nice pair of blunt scissors.

This goes out to OWL, DREAMING AND SHAGGER, YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES. I don't see how you could talk like that about a victim of such an assault. And yes she is a victim, whether you think she was up for it or not, DOES NOT give them the right to do that, and if you're saying that you do that after a night out on the town well then i hope you get what's coming for you, just remember what goes around comes around dickheads!!!!

HAHAHAHA funniest damn thing i ever heard they are legends

she deserved a few firm slaps

I hate BB anyways. As if BB wasn't promoting it with an all single house and all young and horny. BB SUX!!

I reckon the only reason they didn't do anything about Gaelan is that they know how the votes have gone for the eviction..... and he will be out tonight. It will be interesting to see if he gets any prizes. Maybe a mouldy turkey sandwich?

Quote from a few posts above :

"You enjoying this OWL?, It's only harmless boyish hijinx after all. Do you like being slapped in the face with my cock?."

Why dont you get a brain you muttonheaded pillock. It was disgraceful,disrespectful and acting like 2 year old stuff. Both of them could now face criminal action and Big Brother the farce and crock of bullshit that it is will NEVER and I repeat NEVEr be on TVC again as it is the biggest waste of space since play school so go and fuck yourself tough boy, why dont we get 20 bikie guys tocome around to your house and all whack our cosks on your face and see how you like it and while were at it why dont we whack something else on your hed like a meat axe or claw hammer.

Yo Mamma and Mart: assault it assault.

Now grow up.

How come there are four heads in the piturcer how is the other person.....

You have John and Ash sexually assault a woman on T.V. and nobody does anything for 15 hours, then when it comes to mind they might get caught out, BB has them escorted out of the house then proceeds to shut down the forums to stop people from discussing the situation.

Congratulations Australia! You are now known as the home of the first Big Brother sexual assault broadcast live on the internet for your entertainment. Posts on this board back up the fact that many Australians feel a sleeping woman was asking to be held down and have a penis shoved in her face as she screamed and squirmed trying to free herself.

The fact that Big Brother made it a task for one housemate to kiss another housemate who's task was to resist a kiss is quite telling as to what you find entertaining and acceptable as a society.

I've been in Australia for 4 years on a business visa. Your country imported me from America to help bring better infrastructure to your internet.

I cannot say how disappointed I am seeing how mediocre your society is.

You import people to work for you, then trash us on today tonight and a current affair as taking your jobs. You have a sleeping woman sexually assulted live on the internet then say she was asking for it. Pathetic

Somebody I was talking to last night said that they don't even allow 'turkey slaps' in porn - can someone clarify?

I hope these two fucks go down like a lead turd for this.

Speaking as someone who has been the victim of a real sexual harassment countless times over a period of years, had a nervous breakdown, lost my job, thru the courts with it and more or less had my whole life f*d because of it. Then further made the victim following this for being the victim. This BB incident was a prank in comparison. You guys really have no idea. Once is a prank, so long as no one is hurt, mentally of physically. Stupid, but a prank. A second time after being told "not funny" would not be funny. Camilla was more upset about her fight with Perry. It's you guys and all your comments of what she should think/feel about this that is going to cause Camilla problems when she gets out. You are going to cause her to feel she's at fault because she wasn't as angry as you are. She will be the victim, but at your expense, not from the incident itself. Think about it. If she wanted action taken, she could have taken action.

The programme should be yanked from the air by its short and curlies. Gaelan should definitely also be removed; his attitude perpetuates they myth that sexual abuse is just a bit of fun. Camilla should be removed for giving the green light to other predators.

Insight. Hmmmm interesting that an American would have those sort of reactions.

Let me see this America place? Ummmm Home of the Brave. Also home of Jerry Springer. Land of the free. Free to elect such stunning luminaries as a demented Ronald Reagan now a cognitively impaired George Bush. Shall I go on with lists of human rights abuses and your rather terrible history. Like most Americans you take a story out of context and run with it. Camilla wasn't sleeping and if you are literate enough to write one must assume you can read.... read the posts ignore the "stirring" and you will see most people are firmly and absolutely disgusted by what has happened. By the way how many american states still say there is no such thing as rape inside the marital relationship? How many of the American states will put a child to death?

Please end your visa and go on home to have a serious look at the good old US of A.

Owl: Would you feel the same way if Camilla was your sister, mother or best friend?

Or even if it was done to yourself?

Would your opinion be different if it was a guy not a girl that was assaulted in the same fashion?

Think before you make posts on a public forum.

Sexual assault is not accepted in our society in any form nor should it be!

I still love the show for the record (just not what happened to her) and I think a public statement from Camilla would solve a lot of this speculation.

Covering it up only built up ppls emotions and reactions but hindsight is an interesting tool I guess they didnt have.

The authorities wwould have to deal with the legalities and the network with the show - any form of assault should not be tollerated.

Having said that - axing the show wont change what happened and Camilla may have a chance of winning same as every person in there. Why should she lose this chance on top of whats already happened to her?

Unfortunately people commit crimes outside the house too- but we dont change countries because of it- nor should we change channels. That just makes us naieve. Lets see a positive come out of the whole mess that poor girl went through...

Perhaps if anything good is to come out of this it is the realisation by so much of the youth that it is NOT tollerated and even if one person learns from this - perhaps keeping the show on the air is a good thing?

Posted by: Kurtz | July 2, 2006 12:25 PM

Insight. Hmmmm interesting that an American would have those sort of reactions.

Kurtz this is your country and this is your problem.

Too often Australians point the finger at everyone else, and blame everyone else, for it's own troubles.

Big Brother Australia is a result of your production teams, your citizens, and your values. Nobody elses.

BB06 Australia is your problem and I'll be watching with bated as Australia sweeps this under the rug in the next week and all goes back to normal in dole land.

Be reassured by the fact that this will spread like wildfire and that John and Ash will be shamed wherever they go.

I just hope word gets out to the crowd attending the eviction so we can get a nice big BOOOOO for Gaelan!

I hope Camilla is alright.

Sex with a Sheep Yeah !!!!

Ken

me rikey velly muchry!

To Insight, the mediocrity in Australia is largely imported. Big Brother was not an Australian invention - it was imported from Europe - and Reality TV is largely an American invention.

Australia's mediocrity is founded in the belief that anything not made here is better than local product.

I'd be delighted to see Big Brother replaced by some non-imported Australian content, which better employed our very capable local actors and production crews.

We desperately need our creative types to get to work on producing programs that provide better role models for our young males.

Ashley, John, and Gaelan, are dirt-bags who should not be gracing or rather dis-gracing our TV screens. The Big Brother formula has to take a lot of responsibility for encouraging and promoting such degeneracy.

BB's "kiss everyone" challenge to Camilla and contra-instructions to Ashley (who has many times expressed a considerable dislike for Camilla) was apalling. It could well have incited this incident. BB should be banned.

But of course, visiting consultants are never going to recommend that we ban imported content are they ?

ExBBPan

although this incident might seem minor in the scheme of sexual harrassment, it still doesnt make it right. what causes more of an outrage is the fact that these boys did it on national television, and on a show that is broadcast over the internet, where millions upon millions could have seen it. They are in the public eye, and therefore are basically "role models" (not very good ones at that). its like the footballers and any other celebrities that cop harsher punishments for doing things normal people do. its because they are in the spotlight that we feel the need to make an example out of them. if its not ok for celebrities to do something at least that gives the message that its not ok for the rest of the public

Owl, your comments regarding how many 'strikes' it takes until it's "real" assault/harrassment don't wash with me. Based on what I've heard/read, Camilla clearly asked them not to do what they were doing. So, even if it was "just jokes", the fact that they continued once she had, in effect, said 'no', means it's assault. Deal with it.

Posted by: ExBBFan | July 2, 2006 12:51 PM

I'd be delighted to see Big Brother replaced by some non-imported Australian content, which better employed our very capable local actors and production crews.

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Why are you pointing the blame at someone else for a locally made program starring ALL AUSTRALIAN talent?

Next thing you're going to say is that some foreign person forced Ash to turkey slap Camilla!

There are a lot of great posts here, and I'm finding many kind hearted enlightened people but those of you pointing the finger and blaming others for what these two true blue Ozzie boys did is wrong, and typical.

And those of you Ozzie boys out there condoning what's happened need to be held down by a guy while another guy sticks his penis in your face... wonder what your thoughts will be then. Just a good time amongst friends I'm sure.

The eviction looks likely to go ahead so that Gaelan can be evicted as well! It is horrible what they did and im glad they are gone

RAPE: noun : unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception —see also statutory rape

NOTE: The common-law crime of rape involved a man having carnal knowledge of a woman not his wife through force and against her will, and required at least slight penetration of the penis into the vagina. While some states maintain essentially this definition of rape, most have broadened its scope esp. in terms of the sex of the persons and the nature of the acts involved. Marital status is usually irrelevant. Moreover, the crime is codified under various names, including first degree sexual assault sexual battery unlawful sexual intercourse, and first degree sexual abuse.

There is no chance that either john or ashley will be convicted of rape, because of the legal definitions of it.

Personally, I hope that some legal action is taken, and BB06 in this style and fromat is taken off the air.

When BB started out, it wasnt considered so much as the joke it is today, but rather a 'cool' science project on national TV that really defines culture, and the melting pot of multiculturism that defines Australia. Since thenit has degenerated into low brow trash. I enjoyed the first series, but ever since then I have have it sensationalised crap. I hope that BB gets axed and somthing along similar lines replaces it, with somthing of a higher grade content, somthing that actually does 'entertain' people.

Posted by: ExBBFan | July 2, 2006 12:51 PM

But of course, visiting consultants are never going to recommend that we ban imported content are they ?

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Australia's population is roughly 20millioin which is 10million less then the population of California.

America sees Australia as a vacation destination and not much else so get over yourself mate.

Big Brother Australia is not imported content... it's 100%Australian made television

Thanks insight, I 'sort' of agree what your saying, but dont stereo type aussie as penis slaping morons.

.....some of us like to keep it in our pants, only to bring out for special occasions for special people in our lives.

What the hell were these 2 grown men thinking? Holding a women down and shove a penis in their face is wrong in anyones language.

What they did was appallng and degrading to Camilla and yes Gaelan is also very much in the wrong. What a knob!!He is up to 61% to get evicted tonight but why should he get any prizes at his eviction!! If he does, it will certainly be the last BB I will ever watch.

For some reason it doesn't surprise me that Ashley did something like this but John's involvment had me stunned.

And finally 3 cheers to the dickhead BB that got the whole process rolling with the kissing challenge the other night with Camilla and Ash. He saw an opportunity to get good ratings after Camilla told other housemates tha she wanted to pash Ash and it blew up in the collective BB face. Hope they are proud of themselves!!

This incident has really brought out the lezzos, get over it hey, i find it lame yet hillarious at the same time

I think what happenned to Camilla in the BB house is regretable, but what Ash and John did, although severe, does not reflect the true nature of sexual assaults that females go through in the world.

I am glad that both Ash and John have been removed. And I can't wait to watch the live evictions tonight.

I'm still a big fan of Big Brother.

Insight: Australian's don't need gratuitous advice from Americans any more than we need crappy American formula TV shows. If you don't like what this country has to offer, stop taking our money and take a hike back to Yanky-land. When you get back there, open your eyes and look at the fool you've got running your country.

i wish i was in the house and darren did it to me i would suck it till it fell off and not complain about it

Sorry forgot to add one more thing.

How proud their parents must be!!

I'm Anniexx from Behind big brother, I also post here as Annie :)

I think the actual jokes made afterwards were just as bad as the incident itself. Camilla didn't want to talk about it, but the boys involved made jokes about it saying that "she loved it"..

Funny, but since this incident I'm reminded of the movie "The Accused" With Jodie Foster... that involved intercourse, but generally the attitude of the boys was the same.

As for some making excuses that it was all alcohol related, they're allowed 4 drinks .. not enough to get blind drunk. Also, I read in the forums (before they were closed) that the boys hadn't drank from midnight onwards and the incident occurred at 4am. That's 4 hours and after 4 drinks, they'd have sobered up.

Gaelen will be gone for sure tonight and I just KNOW that this incident won't be mentioned at all. He will be called to the diary room and told "in the event of you being evicted, Big brother is instructing you NOT to mention the incident of Ash and John leaving, nor the reasons behind it"...Can't you just hear it??

I wonder when the replacement housemates will enter? Prolly Monday night after noms? I love the way the newspapers online are calling them intruders.. note too, that all the news articles online are the same bloody ones too LOL.

Me again,

I'd also like to point out that some people are saying that "she asked for it".This angers me because yes, she did comment that she wanted some action in the house, BUT, I'm sure she was referring to consensual action. Someone wisely said in the forums.."if a girl is wearing a miniskirt, she does not deserve to be raped". Basically a similar line here...

Big brother originated in Holland (I think, I know it's Europe).. soon others were hopping on the bandwagon, including Australia.. so yes it's an Aussie show, but no it's not an Australian concept.

This is Big Bother house mates the show has canned, all house mates are to leave the house immediately.

That is all.

Posted by: ExBBFan | July 2, 2006 12:51 PM

Insight: Australian's don't need gratuitous advice from Americans any more than we need crappy American formula TV shows. If you don't like what this country has to offer, stop taking our money and take a hike back to Yanky-land. When you get back there, open your eyes and look at the fool you've got running your country.

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Big Brother Australia is 100% Australian made TV starring ALL AUSTRALIANS. I'm not sure why Australians are shocked every year to see on Big Brother what their citizens are doing. It's quite dumbfounding.

on a side note:

The topic here is Big Brother, not how much you want foreigners to go home. Let's not forget the aboriginals, the true Australians.

I'm actually a permanent resident of Australia now and will become an official citizen at the next ceremony this month, as will my three children.

I'm also white, Gay, and a single father. Deal with it

This is Big Brother housemates the show has canned; all housemates are to leave the house immediately.

That is all.

Yes, interesting that there's nothing in the news sources this morning. It could mean that they're all complicit in a cover-up, but perhaps it has something to do with not wanting to prejudice a legal investigation (a much more valid reason for keeping things quiet for the moment).

Posted by: Annie xx | July 2, 2006 01:47 PM

Big brother originated in Holland (I think, I know it's Europe).. soon others were hopping on the bandwagon, including Australia.. so yes it's an Aussie show, but no it's not an Australian concept.

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Bread isn't an Australian concept... so bread made in Australia, from Australian ingredients isn't Australian?

Why is it hard for some people to accept this has happened and take responsibility as a culture?

No culture is perfect but the longer we ignore problems the worse it will get.

I'd also like to make an apology. As the forums were rather busy and furious with comments and posts, I couldn't go back and alter what I had reported. I saw a post which related the story about the jokes and due to my rushing, read it incorrectly.

Gaelen was present at the joking afterwards with John and Ash, but it was ASH who made the tongue movements and said "she loved it". Gaelen said "yeah mate but you had it shoved in her face"...

I'm very sorry about the misunderstanding, I couldn't go back and amend my post because Behind big brother had closed down! aaghhhh

I'm not sure if Gaelen was laughing with the boys. I do know that he did make that comment.

Again I apologise for the misunderstanding.

ALL YOU PEOPLE SAYING HOW WRONG IT IS BUT THEY ARE ADULTS AND THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOMETHING TO LEAD UPTO THAT SO GET OVER IT NOT LIKE IT WAS SERIOUS IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY ROUND NOONE WOULD BE COMPLAINING.

Ash nominated Camilla every week, as John nominated her most weeks.

They were not drunk

They are not best mates with Camilla as they have constantly complained about her in the house.

They did this to degrade Camilla.

Holding someone down while another puts their genitals in someones face would, at minimum, require consent to be accepted.

There was no consent in this incident and they taunted Camilla the next day, continuing to degrade her.

This was wrong.

Insight: as an import from the ever abusive USA how dare you suggest that australians and the culture here generally is mediocre and pathetic. Isn't the USA that murders thousands and thousands of people in it's quest for world domination. Isn't it the USA who is the greatest abuser and intimidator and bully of all time. Whilst the events in the BB06 house are certainly not palatable and should not be construed as a broader picture of australian culture, as a visitor to our country a bit of basic respect should be extended.

And, further, if you don't like Australia ... leave. Go back to your land of the free that historically and currently promotes slavery, sexual abuse, murder, arrogant conceitedness and years and years of stand-over, bullying and invasion. No Insight ... it is you who are pathetic. You may need more than a working visa to stay in australia when the world finally blows america off the global map once and for all.

Insight: after your scathing attacks on australian history, population, culture and bogan-ness WHY are you wanting to become an Australian citizen? Aren't you proud of your american history? And inserting that you are white, gay and a single father of three children doesn't make you "special" either. If anything it makes it more concerning that you will probably instill resentful opinions into your children's minds. I would happily start up a fund raising effort to buy you and your children a 1-way ticket home to your "land of the free". San Fransisco the destination I presume.

What was BB thinking ?

It's impossible to believe that two people carried out such a disgusting act without some prior planning and discussion. They must have at least planned that one would hold her down while the other carried out the act, and may have discussed how they would creep up on her etc.,.

BB's microphones are on all the time. Why didn't BB step in to stop this incident immediately John and Ash discussed their plans and before they began to act on it ?

If you were hosting a party, and heard two people planning such an attack, you would be culpable if you said and did nothing.

Is BB watching only when it suits him ?

This in no way reduces John and Ash's culpability, but BB has a lot to answer for as well. What a disgusting publicity stunt.

the issue isnt about whether australia is better or worse than america. the problem is that someone was forcibly held down after she had said no to something. the reason female to male rapes/harrassments arent as numerous as male to female is because most males can fight a woman off, and most women arent as sexually aggressive as men.

why cant people see... holding someone down against their will is wrong no matter what happens after

Camilla deserves a good cock slapping. She would have loved it anyway.

I wonder how the other housemates reacted in the hours after the incident. Were they bothered by it?

I find it interesting that nobody went to the door to see John and Ashley off. This probably indicates that the housemates were very ashamed of what happened. Or, Big Brother didn't allow it. It's a shame because we'll probably never know.

Unless someone who watches the live streams saw the reaction?

Diego you are giving us all a bad name bugger off!

I wish camilla had taken one extra second and BITTEN it.. hard!!! A nice chunk taken out of his dick will make him think about putting it on someones face again without their permission!!

The make-up of the comments here are proof that 9 in 10 people are decent and 1 in 10 people are broken in the head.

F*cking disgraceful! I hope those two get what they deserve.

I wonder why BB left it till so late to do anything about it. I really feel sorry for Camilla. From what I've read it seems like she just wanted it all to go away, hence didn't make a big deal out of it. God, imagine being in that position on national TV.

Just goes to show what a disgrace this whole thing is. Get rid of BB. Why anyone would want to go through that show is beyond me. I didn't realise morons like those two still existed.

I heard they might be sending Ashley back in on Tuesday, the housemates will vote if they want him back. What a slap in the face for Camilla if they do. I am sure she would say it was fine to please people and act like it is nothing, and I feel sorry for the aftermath this will cause her. The fact that the BB website is not making a statement is pathetic, it's out there, we know what happened and ignoring it is such a load of bullshit. The fact that they could be considering letting Ashley back in makes me hate the programme even more. Violence against women, Australia says no, unless it is on Channel 10. Fuckers.

Channel 10 will try to bury this as much as possible. Anything to not make it a big issue cos they know the show will probably be getting the axe next season if enough pressure is put on them. Then they won't be able to make the millions from votes and sponsorship, would they? Money hungry c*nts.

Insight... I too can not understand why you would want to raise your children in this country if it is SO bad? Perhaps it has to do with the fact that Australias crime rate and pollution (overall) is a lot lower than Americas??

I wanna see how Gretel handles this. I still haven't forgiven her for the way she twisted Merlin's protest story into an 'aggressive stunt'

I was shocked when i heard about what happened; but theres definetely been some major cover up by BB' i think if we heard a statement from Camilla, John and Ashley, things might be clarified a little. Theres also the possibility that it was a publicity stunt, but either way it was wrong and BB is even worse, he set her up in a position for something like this to happen. BB is so immoral at times, a bunch of people who want to f* each other, i bet Gretal Kaleen gets off on watching AO, dumb freak. Ashley is ferrel anyway and so is that twitch head John.

all i can say is she deserved it, my brother works for BB and he said shes been cockteasing them for ages but it never gets to TV so really they shoulda gangbanged her

Insight I sincerely apologize for what I said.

After re-reading your posts I can understand where you're coming from and can sympathize.

America is a great country, as is Australia. Feel the love.

Shagger:

Your brother is a total knobjockey. If I met your brother I would kick him in the nuts and ask "how you like that kinda cockteasing"

Geez, thats clever... using my tag to make yourself look better, but hey, like I really care, live and let live. And I do agree that Australia is a great country.

Thanks Girlwonder for your insight. Apology accepted.

Kurtz aka ExBBFan aka Diego could learn from your last post.

Thanks again

ash and john are dumb asses camilla was probly expecting it and i dont get u women fight against this sort athing you's fought to work and now you's have too you's dont want to.

While everyone is blaming everything else but the mentality behind it...

Are you forgetting the bitch rape comment of Johns from before, or his gangbangs forever private homepage...

With 2 strikes as it was, BB was clearly in breach of workplace safety rules as well, by allowing this nutter to remain there when he continued to break the rules... With due care this could not have happened...

This, I think, more than anything else caused the cover up.

Well I guess that this is the end of the line for BB on free-to-air. Watch the foxtel camp rub their hands in glee - Going Cheap - 1 x Primary Rights to fading tv series.

Then again - will the polly's turn this into a told you so.... A perfect destraction from Johnny's IR reforms.

Yippee

sexual assault is sexual assault whether it be with friends or strangers. W omen are NOT SEXUAL COMMODITIES but human beings respect this!!!!!!!!!

Ludditedotcom: "I'm 6"2" and built like a brick shithouse...blah blah blah". Let's all hail the internet tough guy.

ScottyG: "Twitchy John"???? Really showing yourself to be morally superior to those knobs, John and Ash, aren't you?

I think it's disgusting what John & Ashley did to Camilla. I hope she got counselling. I'm really annoyed though because the actions of 2 wankers will mean Big Brother will never be shown again. I enjoyed watching it.

Insight is a typical Yank.

Cannot stop talking about himself.

Christ you made your point, but please don't change the forum to be about yourself.

Just move on, but I know thats hard for bloody Yanks.

Fiona

COME ON PEOPLE! IT WAS JUST A JOKE! IT WAS NOT SEXUAL HARRASMENT AT ALL! IT WAS JUST A JOKE LIKE ANY OTHER!

Anyone else seen John's myspace, apparently "Gangbangings not dead baby" Hmmm the tabloids are gonna love that one.

IF A FEMALE LIKE CAMILLA WOULDN'T TALK ABOUT LOVING TO SUCK "PENIS" AND LICKING GIRLS OUT MAYBE SHE WOULD BE TREATED LIKE A "REAL CLEAN LADY", HOWEVER, IN HER CASE SHE PROBABLY ASKED ASHLEY TO COME OVER AND POP HIS "PENIS" INTO HER MOUTH!

Hi Alicia, you seem like a good time girl, can my friend and I come over, he will hold you down, i will rub my penis in yur face, it will just be a joke between the three of us. What time?

LOL dangerousdave, my computer just short circuited from the dripping sarcasm!

My original post caused one person to think I was sticking up for Ash and John. Incorrect. I was merely stating that by allowing such activities to occur, whether or not they are caused by the effects of alcohol, BB is encouraging people to push the boundaries and it was only a matter of time until someone over-stepped the boundaries.

John especially has pushed the limits over and over after mentioning who he may have selected for his nomination twist.

IF I WAS A GIRL LIKE CAMILLA, A SLUT, OR PUSSY OR COCK SUCER NO PROBLEM COME ON OVER, HOWEVER, I AM NOT SOMEONE LIKE CAMILLA SO SORRY MATE NO CAN DO!

Are you a nun alicia or just very sexually repressed, does it annoy you to see a woman in charge of her own sexuality. What if it had been Katie(the self cofessed virgin) that this had happened to, would you have had some sympathy then.

Awww come on ALICIA, it's just a joke, nobody is saying you are a slut, just a bit of fun amongst friends.

You guys should start a phone campaign to get that weird-looking freak Gaelen off the show too. The man is a cunt.

Oh come on, thats a bit harsh, they are at least useful, Gaelen isn't.

Posted by: Fiona | July 2, 2006 05:44 PM

Insight is a typical Yank.

Cannot stop talking about himself.

Christ you made your point, but please don't change the forum to be about yourself.

Just move on, but I know thats hard for bloody Yanks.

Fiona

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By anti American posts YOU in fact keep the forum off topic Fiona aka Kurtz aka Girlwonder aka Diego

Get over it and get back on topic Big Brother Australia and the two housemates thrown out for sexually assulting a female housemate

I think we can all agree that women saying No really means Yes with sexual activites - especially when it comes to women like those in the BigBrother House.

If this little escapade spells the end of Big Brother in Australia, I'm going to hunt John and Ashley down with flaming torches.

Does anyone have links to John's MySpace profile?

Clemmy, it was -

http://www.myspace.com/micbric

But the person running it in his absence has wisely deleted it.

He must have just done it in the last hour then. Tricky lil bugger

But you can still get the Google cache of it. Just Google for "cache:http://www.myspace.com/micbric" and it should come right up. Let's have a look at it now... huh, here's his tagline:

"Gangbanging aint dead baby!!!!!!!"

Really, we should have seen it coming.

It's sad this has happened

that makes me sick

fucking disrespectful cunts.

Claires myspace is located here http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=33773308

and Michaels myspace is located here http://www.myspace.com/savemichael

Insight: you seem like quite a dramatic complaining person and i agree with Diego and the others.

Your first comment was quite a grandstanding one, where u chose to belittle 'australia' cos of a couple of guys doing a practical joke.

It appears to me that you feel inadequate as a person to have us all know about your sexual preferences. And maybe you need counselling or a plane ticket to USA one way!

Stop inciting negativity and get a life!

At the end of the day what happened on BB is between John, Ash and Camilla.

She has been acting like a slut from day 1, showing everyone her dildo to get attention etc.

So if she has an issue with what the guys did i am sure she has means to pursue it.

I personally think its been blown out of proportion, considering we only hear about things that BB wants to share.

I am sure alot of other things have occurred in the house that we aren't aware of.

Insight: you seem like quite a dramatic complaining person and i agree with Diego and the others.

Your first comment was quite a grandstanding one, where u chose to belittle 'australia' cos of a couple of guys doing a practical joke.

It appears to me that you feel inadequate as a person to have us all know about your sexual preferences. And maybe you need counselling or a plane ticket to USA one way!

Stop inciting negativity and get a life!

At the end of the day what happened on BB is between John, Ash and Camilla.

She has been acting like a slut from day 1, showing everyone her dildo to get attention etc.

So if she has an issue with what the guys did i am sure she has means to pursue it.

I personally think its been blown out of proportion, considering we only hear about things that BB wants to share.

I am sure alot of other things have occurred in the house that we aren't aware of.

Posted by: dave | July 2, 2006 08:12 PM

Your first comment was quite a grandstanding one, where u chose to belittle 'australia' cos of a couple of guys doing a practical joke.

It appears to me that you feel inadequate as a person to have us all know about your sexual preferences. And maybe you need counselling or a plane ticket to USA one way!

Stop inciting negativity and get a life!

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Get over it and get back on topic Big Brother Australia and the two housemates thrown out for sexually assulting a female housemate

It is apparent that Camilla asked for it, but not in degrading way. If not, she could have just avoid it. The photos speak for itself. As she is not struggling hard to resist. She could have just avoid it. Darn look at John just a skinny ass. Now once she is humiliated she is against it. She would go for it, if they had shoved his penis on her pussy, as shoving penis on pussy is not degrading for her unlike shoving on face. Sure the guys did the wrong thing in degrading manner. But yeah maybe they thought she deserve it cos she is a cheap dirty scum whore.

New message on the Big Brother website http://bigbrother.3mobile.com.au/

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Network Ten and Big Brother producers, Endemol Southern Star, today reaffirmed their commitment to the highly popular television program and confirmed Big Brother adheres to all broadcasting codes of practice and all relevant rules and regulations.

No footage of the incident that led to housemates Ashley and John being evicted was broadcast on television, nor would it be.

This is a closed police matter.

TEN and ESS proactively invited the Queensland Police to view the footage, and they subsequently interviewed housemate Camilla, who reiterated she did not wish to take the matter forward.

While the footage was never broadcast, and will not be, TEN and ESS will fully cooperate with any Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) investigation, and we are confident that we have upheld the Television Industry Code of Practice and any other broadcasting law or regulation.

Ashley and John were evicted because they broke the rules of housemate conduct. Big Brother is very popular, as evidenced by the strong and broad audiences it draws every night of the week, and will remain on air.

Cryptic... just wondering how you can tell from a PHOTO whether or not she is struggling and how hard???

You kidding! This is so over hyped by the bleeding hearts. They have been forced to shower naked without question, sleep together, and encouraged to be sexual by producers. What did they expect. Camllia is fine, jail BB producers!!

It's disgusting to see John and Ashley portrayed on Big Brother as the victims in all this.

Ten's statement that Camilla does not wish to take the matter further begs the question of whether she was given sufficient information and support to make that decision.

The intention to degrade her will only become apparent when she knows what viewers know about Ash and John's nomination explanations. John's gangbang forever home page might also get her feeling differently about it.

Krystal will realise what an idiot she was for questioning whether Ash and John could be brought back.

BB's manipulation of the housemates is diabolical, and both Camilla and Krystal will be damaged when they can look back on this with open eyes.

All BB has proven is that If you deprive people of their liberty, and the support of friends and reliable information, you can manipulate them to say exactly what you want. Exactly as George Orwell described in 1984.

I was looking forward to this season I actually enjoyed it for the first 2 weeks then I though meh. and hardly watched it again.. theres not enough action.. uncut is gone.. personalities suck..I think prize money is like no where near the 1 mil.. and its just repetative boring.. worst then home and away action.. its time to go.. Big brother >=D And by the way.. that was a disgusting act and very bad on the news and stuff they downplayed and just said it was an "indicent act" it was much more then that.. Sexual assault.. stupid idiots.. Peace out

Bloody disgusting, I hope the show is shut down straight away.

Instead of having interesting entertaining housemates like in the early years of the series, the producers brought in immature, sexually irresponsible housemates instead. And something like this is exactly why that was the wrong decision. This will be the last Big Brother, I think.

To be honest I don't think the show does itself any favors by describing John and Ashley in such a glowing manner. I think they should distance themselves as far as possible from the boys.

At the same time, the show is most likely aware that people's perceptions of what has happened will greatly affect John and Ashley's lives, and is probably concerned with making sure they can't be held liable in any way for that. Clearly the producers are more concerned with being sued than sending the right message: that the boys unequivically deserved what happened to them.

It was great to see that Camilla is coping, though it was clear she found what happened offensive. To be honest, Krystal was incredibly insensitive, asking if the boys would be allowed to return immediately after Camilla related the incident.

One thing is certain, and that's that the guys will continue to be punished above and beyond Big Brother and that this event will lead to some very hard months ahead. To be honest, I find it hard to feel much sympathy for them, but it's clear they've been punished at least as much as they deserve.

Its just a show..if you dont want to watch it turn it off!! how hard is that she told them to stop and they DID..this shouldnt this shouldnt effect anyone who wasnt involved..let the show continue.

It's obvious that the children that don't know right from wrong on this forum, get their teaching from BB and it's ilk.

And are most likely the knowledgable posters that will get it closed.

Please continue to show your intelligence for the do gooders that may watch here, who want it permanently shut down, and need more of an excuse to do so...

Get over it. She is happy, every one is happy.

Girlwonder

The video speaks for itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BcFaMInddw

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19658146-38876,00.html

I'll admit it

I was wrong

The video does speak for itself

The guys shouldn't have been kicked out

This was all definately a publicity stunt and a lot of us fell for it

Trackback.

Can anyone tell me why Gretel's wardrobe consists of op-shop cast-offs this season?

We need a new video link to send to people... the youtube video has been removed

This will be something that "John" will wear like a badge...I am however concerned about "Ash" in the wake of this. John has never been interested in following the rules, from the outset it is clear that John lives by only one set of rules, and they are the ones that he makes up. Jamie was utterly pathetic tonight...as usual. I bet he hasn't thought for an instant why so many of his "friends" have gone. I bet he lacks the ability to even consider that perhaps they all had common qualities that are generally found repulsive by society.

She DID love it though.

Good lord, I've just had a chance to read through the comments properly.

When did the dribbling fucklord bus pull up? She owns vibrators so she was gagging for it?

Sigh.

After getting "turkey slapped" as Camillia calls it.. she turns to John to give him a hand job under the sheets. Luckily for John, she wasn't crying rape at the same time!.. Seriously she ought to have gone too!

It's definitely a marketing stunt by Channel 10 and for fear of possible legal reasons they called in the police and had to remove the two boys.

Personally I wouldn't put it down to sexual harrassment, it is futher indicated by the footage being shown to police. The police do no need to have Camillia to file a complaint to arrest the boys if it was considered a serious matter, but clearly there is no solid evidence as they were all fooling around.

For those who have not viewed the footage and already damned the boys, I think you ought not to prejudge them.

For those who think turkey slapping is horrible.. go get a life.. its part of the bedroom fun.. it is Reality TV afterall.. it is Big Brother that have put them all in this position !!!

As you know with censorship, people are more curious as to why they can't see the footage or why the BB06 forum is blocked.. I'm sure the footage would be floating around tomorrow at work/school.. the footage is still on the net I was able to download it.. your mission is to find it :) else I'd turkey slap you !! hahahha

If you want to see the video, go to digg.com and search appropriately.

I agree with BB06 sux!, the story is overblown.

Now that I've seen the footage I'd just like to ask where on earth the claims of assault came from? All the descriptions of the incident were so far from the truth. I can't believe that the boys were thrown out of the house. It's all just ridiculous. It seems the only reason any of this has happened is that people will pick at any reason they can to have this show shut down. See the video if you still think anyone was assaulted.

Yikes, what a lot of comments to get through for a Monday morning... That aside, wouldn't what happened technically be "indecent assualt" from a legal perspective and if charges were to be laid?

What the guys did was wrong, definitely. And I'm glad from watching last night's show that Camilla wasn't allowing herself to be a victim!

But how pathetic was Lamie! My friend Claire and I were on the phone to each other at the time and were both totally stunned at how he was pulling out the "Oh so tragic woe is me!" routine again and sobbing his little heart out in the bathroom.

And maybe BB should consider that my eyes have been violated by seeing Jamie's "wang," as Katie so delightfully put it in her voice that sounded like the squarks of a thousand traumatised rosellas, on BB AO. That'll learn me for channel surfing!

ahem

Pictures cannot justify what happened. As you can see in this clip, she did not say stop, she was laughing to everyone telling the other hm's what happened. They all laughed. They are just stupid kids and i do not think they should have to live the rest of their lives as "Sexual Deviants" for one stupid mistake. Camilla seems like she is "Helping" John under the covers after it anyway.

Seriously, dont yall have something better to talk about. i dont condone what the boys have done (equally i would not appreciate it being done to me), but if anyone should have anything to say or any right to say anything, it should be Camilla. So hows about yall put your judgement aside and wait till we hear from Camilla and let her choose if there is to be a penalty- lets remember shes the one that has been hurt/degraded here, not the rest of you people who cant help but put your own judgements out there. Its gonna be her choice anyway, if she doesnt want to do anything about it, then so be it. Lets wait till then and in the meantime refrain from dragging the boys names through the mud. oh and for those of you who want gaelan to be prosecuted, get a life!!!!!! Seriously.

Do you not realise that there are literally thousands of men out there who would make a comment like that almost every day???? Do you think they should all be prosecuted????? Cmon lets be realistic here, unless you live in a bubble, im sure at one stage you have all heard a guy say something dirty, degrading of wrong about a womnan. if you havnt then like i said "Bubble". Hows about we avoid killing another persons reputation.

Pain, you dickhead, Ashley and John went on national television asking us to judge their behaviour, looks and personality (if you hadn't noticed that's why the premium phone calls and SMS are so popular) And why's it OK for you to judge anonymous internet users who haven't asked for it, but it's not OK for us to judge national celebrities who have?

Ummm, I don't wanna be crucified, but after seeing the footage, this was a stoopid pack of bogans mucking around. Camilla was laughing, giving a running commentary, and if i recall, tweaked someones nipples after the 'incident'.

Big Brother producers are the real fuckstix. How did they miss the whole'gangbanging aint dead baby!!!!!!" gem when researching potential hm's?

My thoughts at bustingout.net.

well, i have viewed the footage and it appears to me that Camilla didnt exactly frown upon what happened. She had an idea they were going to turkey slap her!!!! she specifically says so! Correct me if im wrong but she then grabs Johns cock, and he then proceeds to tell her to fuck off, followed by lots of laughter and acknowledgement by Camilla of what has just been done. wow has this whole thing been blown out of proportion. I recommend that everyone view the footage, it opened my eyes!!!!! Id be glad to hear your thoughts.

(www.digg.com search the entire site "Big brother")

They are really taking this out of hand. It was just a turkey slap. they didnt force her to perform sexual acts or anything. They are a bunch of young people having some fun and being stupid. It was all in a bit of fun. get over it. they should not have been removed.

Camilla is feral! She deserved it! Ash and John are awesome and were just havin a bit of fun! This sort of thing happens in the real world all the time between friends and its just cnsiderede a joke. Camilla loved it anyway, its the closest thing to intimacy she was gonna get in the house anyway. Good on you's ash and John, she desereved it!

Camilla was into it, she was hang'in for a bit of cock. Had the camera's been turned off she would have sucked it for all she was worth. BB without cameras would be just one big orgy, now that's an X-Rated version that I would been keen to watch, instead of this tame teeny-bopper crap!

Here's a link to the video file

http://www.viddy.id.au/stuff/bb6.au.day069.live.feed.incident-korntunes-cut.zip

Wow, the last two comments aren't even worth responding to. Dribbling fucktards aplenty.

But pain, you're all over the map...

"well, i have viewed the footage and it appears to me that Camilla didnt exactly frown upon what happened. She had an idea they were going to turkey slap her!!!! she specifically says so!" - Actually, it's obvious she does frown on it - yeah, she specifically uses the word "turkey slap", AND she specifically tells them not to do it. She says "I'll burn you if you do it", and after it happens, there's a long, awkward pause, and she eventually says "you're mean, you're being mean to me". She doesn't even "lie down and shut her eyes" like they told her to, she lies down and gets held in place.

She acts like someone who doesn't quite know how to act. Which is pretty much how it goes with harrassment; you're in a situation where you're surrounded by idiots who don't even think something completely fucked has just happened, you don't know how to react, if you act the wrong way, then you're labelled a "prude", or someone who "doesnt know how to have fun" (thanks for reinforcing all that bullshit by the way, you dickwad pain), and you just eventually roll back into the flow of it.

The only thing Camilla did to bring it on was to be surrounded by a couple of giggling brain-dead jocks in the first place, but there's a line you shouldn't have to expect your friends to cross.

And no, pain, she's not giving him a handjob under the covers, she was giving him a nipple cripple. You seriously need to re-watch the video, and pay attention to the GLARINGLY OBVIOUS long, awkward, embarrassed pause just after it happens and just before she tells the other girl what they did.

Pain, Jane, Nick, Big Banana, i'm sorry, but a couple of retards holding a girl down for a stupid prank that she's told them not to pull on her has got NOTHING to do with a group of 20-somethings being sexually liberated (take it from someone who actually fits that description, for fucks sake); it's about a pair of stupid little pricks who never learnt the same lessons about not-being-a-shithead that the rest of us began to understand at age 10.

Maybe it's hard to tell the difference when you're so far out of that culture, but that was a fucking stupid thing to do, and the "fun young people messing around" only works when everyone involved is fully into it. it's pretty obvious from Camillas words and actions on the video that they shouldn't have done it.

The boys in that house have treated Camilla with disdain from the outset, making her feel unattractive and severely affecting her self esteem because she's not perceived as attractive enough or whatever (which is ridiculous as she is a very attractive woman). It was no wonder she jumped into the bed with John and Ash, two people who have treated her very badly from the outset. She has craved closeness and approval from them...so she jumps in only to be humiliated and degraded, which was the ONLY reason they invited her in.

Despite this, she reacted with integrity and clung to the hope that there was a shred of genuine friendship/care/approval..something going on.

The way Camilla reacted to Anna's eviction is another example of Camilla's willingness to forgive, forget and focus on the good in people even after they've treated her in a dispicable way. Anna's behaviour towards Camilla was positively vile, yet Camilla lamented her after she left the house.

Camilla may be "out there" on some levels, but she is a very honest, decent and kind hearted person...that is very evident.

"John" will brag about this with his mates for the rest of his nasty life...I have grave concerns for Ashley though and how he will handle this, or if he will at all...I really do.

Well Captain, i asked to be corrected if wrong and you certainly managed to tell in an extremely nice way. NOT!!!! Who are you to call me a dick head???? have you had time to read any of the other comments on this site, that are bagging the absolute shit out of Camilla and calling her a dirty hore. maybe- i dont really care!!! im simply stating that the whole thing has been blown way out of proportion by people and media etc. i viewed the footage and my perception of the incident has changed, im not agreeing with them turkey slapping Camilla, it simply was a stupid disrespectful thing to do. Yes they shouldnt be on big brother because they broke the RULES.

NO MEANS NO. "ill burn you" isnt "NO" last time i checked. she didnt deserve it, but she didnt fight the issue as much as any person who was utterly disgusted with it. Honestly she probably didnt care that much, hence why she had a laugh (but im not her so i dont know exactly how she would feel) I just feel sorry for her when she gets out of the house- Winner or not, shes gonna cop so much crap and all for what??? Itl probably stress her the fuck out, cos everybodies talking about it!!!

sorry not you captain!!!!

Im referring to DISSDAIN

Dissembly- whoever the fuck you are!! whatever your name is!!!

your all soft cocks!!! its life it happends!!! its not called sexual assult if u enjoyed it!!! CLEARLY she loved it..

What I can't believe is how Crystal-after being told that the boys assaulted Camilla and it was a 'serious incident'- didn't even pause to ask or consider what they had done. no. instead she whined about them leaving and asked whether or not they would be returning!!! She asked this without even considering that what had happened had caused someone pain or discomfort! They are very very dumb in there. un-considered and foolish.

That's just horrendous. They should get punished for what they did

Man, this is so bitchy. Bottom line, Camilla doesn't want to take it further. We all knew those guys were redneck fucktards...

Obviously people are interpretting the footage differently.

I haven't watched the rest of the show so have it out of context, but it seems to me that she will be OK.

It's wrong what they did, but I think everyone will need more therapy regarding the aftermath, and being used as pawns by the BB megolith and pro-censorship right wingers.

The problem seems to be the perpetuation of 'bloke' culture by this show.

That is not just in regard to the turkey slapping, but the show in its entireity.

I'm sure most people agree that sexual assualt is wrong, but to me this seems to constitute bad taste, more than anything else.

Channel tens got what they want...more controversy. Geez, warrick capper pulled his cock out on celeb BB, michael rubbed his doodle on giannas back and the doonah has danced.

So people have varying opinions. Ashley and John are ugly people who BB producers chose to use for their own nefarious purposes. For fucks sake, Ashley hadn't even heard of "The Tsunami", and Johns "gangbanging 4 eva" or whatever shit has already been well documented.

Their mates will tell them their legends. Heck, the producers probably told them they were legends. They are a pair of tools who made an ill-judged gag.

Sorry if you don;t agree, but I think Camilla behaved like someone who was quite happy to be where she was....

And yes, I am one of the one in five women who has experienced first hand sexual assualt. I have also slapped many a man who has gone the grope, and have always classified that as nothing more than dickheadedry (Nice new word there!)

does anyone know where I can get the footage? I would like to make up my own mind..

In a nut shell WIZ,

Well done.

footage at www.digg.com

yer they did it but they didnt c it as a sexual assult thing besides JOHNS HOTT!!!! i think they should of at least hit on a hott chik in the house lyk claire or krystal to be removed

If 190 comments dont get u back in here more often Jess nothing will! Look at your fans clambering for more of your hilarity - roguetraders line = best evs. Please never leave us again...or we will cut you...

For the love of fuck sake. Give it a rest. Its not as if he was cumming all over her face or shoving ti in her mouth. Camilla said it was playful.

This wasn't "that" extreme.

John and Ash................. best cunts ever

good on you boys, australia was losing its balls and growing a pussy in its place, you two outstanding gentlemen have shown us all aussie humour does live on in those of us who havent been americanised and grown pussies where our cocks should be. I agree had camilla shoved her tits in there faces BB would have done fuck all, but because she is a chick there is a double standard

hats off to you john an ash, you have shown metrosexuals everywhere what a bloke really is

camilla didn't even complain about the incident she was asked by big brother if she wanted action taken. is this to say she was afraid of her fellow house mates dissproval, or was it that it really was a joke that went a little to far. Krystal even commented that they'd done it before. sexual assault or young adults forgetting the cameras were there.

I agree with a lot of what I have read here.

What happened was most certainly wrong.......but..

This is a house of young adults with raging horemones!

90% of the conversation is sexual!

It was a situation waiting to happen.

The amount of dildo flashing and dirty talk I have seen coming from Camilla! Was it really such a shock that this sort of thing happened? She willingly jumped into bed with two male housemates.

I don't believe in sexual assault in any form, I was a victim of varying levels of physical and sexual abuse for over 20 years! but I also know you don't jump into bed with two guys start playing games and expect it not to go too far.

I really enjoyed the first couple of seasons of BB but now it is nothing but a voyeur's day dream!

Kellogz - I think I really quite like you but I am DEVASTATED that you are gay. Why are all the good ones homosexual, eh? I mean, when I started reading your comment, I was thinking "This is it, Jess! HE COULD BE THE ONE!" but then you just went ON and ON about wanting cock instead of pussy, and I realised I could never, ever have you, despite how charming, intelligent and devastatingly un-metrosexual you are.

LADIES, YOU MAY BEGIN THE GROUP MOURNING SESSION NOW.

PS: Woodsman, you are an ACTUAL lover-of-men I have a debilitating crush on, along with Will Fop, Scott2BC and Matt from The B Dolls. Please cease leaving me messages which lead me to believe I have a chance at turning you, Bible Belt style. Heh x

WELL, I WATCHED THE SUNDAY NIGHT EVICTION. AND SAW CAMILLA SPEAKING TO BIG BROTHER TELLING HIM IT WAS ALL FUN AND GAMES. WHEN SHE SAID STOP THEY STOPPED. EVERYONE LEAVE THEM ALONE. YOUR ONLY CAUSING THEM PAIN AND MAKING IT WORSE

"WELL, I WATCHED THE SUNDAY NIGHT EVICTION. AND SAW CAMILLA SPEAKING TO BIG BROTHER TELLING HIM IT WAS ALL FUN AND GAMES. WHEN SHE SAID STOP THEY STOPPED. EVERYONE LEAVE THEM ALONE. YOUR ONLY CAUSING THEM PAIN AND MAKING IT WORSE"

I couldn't agree more.

I Do wish that john and ash had another shot at the goal but unfortunentally they got what they deserved but they were just mucking around.

Poor old Camilla Why would they do something like that? It is sad that they can not do the right thing

I thort John was a very nice person. I thort he was sencible and grown up but he proved to me he was very rong. Ashley I thort he could be a lot more grown up as well I think that they would be great in the house if thay were still there but they proved that they were no the people that I think they were

They should have known better Camilla should have gone too because she should have known that this was not a okay thing to happen,

I honestly think people need to see the video footage of the incident. It's available for free online if you go to

www.austech.org

all i can say is lol. not so much about the turkey slap but because of all your reactions. laugh-out-loud get over it. not your problem so dont act like it is. hey, how about having one whole day a week not watching tv and do something else. and see where it goes huh?

and someone said something in here a while ago along the lines of "just because a girl wears a miniskirt doesn't mean she deserves to be harrassed." i think they forgot the exception to that rule - fat chicks. BIG exception

Camilla thought they were her friends and what do they go and do? They slap her in the face!

Well at least they didn't stab her from behind.

But isn't BB a gutless f*cktard? He only acted when they started talking about it and he knew that they(10) could no longer pretend nothing had happened.

Chris Noblet - noblet by name, noblet by nature.

1st of all camilla was ok with dis all and hu de fuck decides its not ok can get fucked ...i agree it was a bit harsh to camilla but she was ok with it... omg ppl dese days its none of ur business ....poor camilla ma ass she shud of said no from the begining im 100% sure dey wuld of stopped imeadiatly...so poor john and ashley dey had a good chance of winning but not any more

Yo wizza. Nice name! Also, is it weird that u and i are the only ones to use the term 'fucktard'on this forum?

I didn't use stars though, which obviously means i want to be turkey slapped AND donkey punched!

have u guys actually seen the clip afta de "INCIDENT"camilla was still dere joking around obviously she didnt give a shit so y do we i agree john and shouldnt of but dey did .... 2 bad

o.k i think thats its fair that they both got kicked out even though i love them but they broke the rules and regulations and have to be punished for it. On the other hand it was a joke and every1 nos that. Camilla does'nt want to set charges for it and big brother questioned her she didnt go to big brother. I think if Camilla felt sexually assaulted then it would be a problem but its not because they where laughing about it after and it was just 1 big joke even if it is disgusting behaviour. Big brother shouldnt be axed over this and it shouldnt be a big deal ne more. I feel sorry for John and Ash 4 wat they have to go through. It's over ok, they made a mistake and there sorry about it.

well... after watching the footage i can see the media are at it again... but i hate big brother so i hope it gets axed! and BANNED!

I have just seen the footage of this incident and although I agree that what happened was completely inappropriate, I think that if Camilla was really that upset by it she would not have stayed in the bed with the boys, and would have gone to see Big Brother immediately. Some of the comments I have read here are calling her a skanky whore who deserved it, I'm not too sure what that has to do with the boys being removed as she made it quite clear that she did not want to take the matter any further and understood that the boys did not intend to harm her in any way shape or form. Leave the woman alone, Big Brother and co made the decision NOT Camilla, people need to understand that this woman has family and friends out here who do not need to read such hurtful comments from neanderthal yobbos who think any woman who is open about her sexuality is "asking for it"

Yes i totally agree with u

GREAT..now ash and john have a hole in their lifes 4 ever and ever...over a silly joke ... their experience in the bb house is ruined and so is their experience in life

The disgusting bastards, I feel so sorry for Camilla. Ash and John should get jailed for doing that.

Gaelan is a weird goblin looking freak pretty boy and needs a bullet, and so does, like, Jamie, like, fully. Everyone in the house is fuckin exactly the same, you'd find all of them hanging at the same clubs listening to the same music every other fuckin weekend, talking about the same shit. The format of the show sucks enough already, at least get people from a range of different backgrounds, maybe a Goth, a junkie, no fuckin uni students cos they're all the same. Mix it up a bit. And no popped collar metro wankers.

allison, from what I understand the boys will be appearing on big brother this evening to tell their side of the story, they are young and very popular and I assure you that they will be able to move on and move past what has happened. Their lives are far from over. Their popularity will continue to increase as has Camilla's. I am quite sure we have not seen the last of them yet...

GREAT!!! I cant beleive john and ash where removed!! They where onlii playing around with her it was a joke!! you just made a huge mistake by removing the two hottest guys in the house!! Especially ash!!

The lines between decent and indecent behaviour are pretty clear. What is obvious from this forum is that some people get it and some really don't. Sadly, not knowing the difference between right and wrong is the source of much unhappiness. Many of the people posting comments in favour of the boys being right, are clearly either hateful towards women, or women with no self-respect. And INSIGHT, if you're listening, it's everywhere. Perhaps you are just seeing more ugliness because you're homesick.

I think everyone is making a mountain out of a mole hill. A dick!....big deal! To me, it really looked like Camilla was not as offended as producers are stating...infact she seemed to enjoy the attention. I'm not saying she deserved to be humiliated, but if she really didn't want that behaviour going on, she could have stopped it before it got out of hand. Why do you think she feels so guilty for Ash & John. I'd hardly call it assault....and I'm sure Camilla would agree.

I think everyone is making a mountain out of a mole hill. A dick!....big deal! To me, it really looked like Camilla was not as offended as producers are stating...infact she seemed to enjoy the attention. I'm not saying she deserved to be humiliated, but if she really didn't want that behaviour going on, she could have stopped it before it got out of hand. Why do you think she feels so guilty for Ash & John. I'd hardly call it assault....and I'm sure Camilla would agree.

im glad they did it beceasue i luuuv john and ash and i wanna b jus like them wen i m older, it was funny GO JOHN AND ASH AND GAELENS COMMENT!!!!!!!! i hate camilla sgefyso

I'm posting this anon, 'cause, frankly, pain, you seem to cause a little bit of friction. But I see what you're saying. I think its unfair the amount of crap thats been slung your way.

It's a joke made by losers FOR losers.

I'll be your friend. To find me I will give u a clue..."fucktard". Everyone else, chill out. The final word was camilles. Its been uttered. Keep it to the issues and stop being so personal!!!!!

Why do so many people think the video clip tells the story ?

Nothing on the video's shows anyone asking Camilla's permission for this sexual act. Nothing on the video shows her giving informed consent to it.

Whatever Camilla did or didn't say after the incident does not amount to informed consent. More like rationalisation to protect her sanity.

Until someone can turn up more video or audio showing these two jerk's asking for and gaining informed consent for their sexual acts, they richly deserved to be punted.

It's hard to see exactly what John was up to under the sheets at the end of the video's, but "jerk" seems to be about the best way you could describe him.

Both John and Ash's parents have attempted to defend them on tonight's news, so perhaps the only thing you could say in John and Ash's defense is that with parents like that, maybe they never had much chance of turning out decent.

can i also add, that it is just ODD that Howards response is to get this "stupid" program off the air.

Another fucktard! If i was PM I'd be making a slightly more informed comment.

AGAIN, lets address the issue. Its not about bad television (well it is a bit). It's about violence/disrespect against women.

Shut up, johnny. You don't have complete media control....yet.

wow.

thats the first footage/pictures i have seen of the inccident and as far as i have heard it was a joke, unnecessarily made into something huge.

camilla wasn't awefully worried about it and when she sed stop they did. and like we've seen and herd from previous adults only episodes those sort of things are nothing out of the ordinary for camilla.

plus i dont even think adults only should have been axed. its not on early and no1 is forced to wactch it.

i feel sorry for jon and ash and think that this hole thing stinks.

PS.... "Australian Democrats senator Andrew Bartlett says Big Brother should be left alone by meddling politicians.

"It is politicians trying to be Big Brother that we really need to be concerned about," Senator Bartlett said.

"If anyone in the Big Brother house broke the law, then it can be dealt with by the legal system," he said.

"Attempting to force a television show off the air because of an incident that wasn't even screened on television is an excessive intrusion into the lives of Australians by moralising, preaching politicians who want to control how people live their lives."

He said people had forgotten the origins of the name Big Brother.

"The original Big Brother was a politician in a book by George Orwell who used political power to control every aspect of peoples lives, from what they said, did and watched, right down to their private thoughts," Senator Bartlett said."

End of transmission

ha ha ha i think it was funny,. nothing like a good old turky slap to get the adrenelin goin'... she never wanted to make a big deal about it so it just made things worse by letting everyone know what happened.. it was all in good fun.

By looking at the video footage i think that it was fine

Camilla was laughing the whole way through

As soon as Camilla said stop the boys stopped

John was the best and he was going to win

Ash was alrite

Camilla wanted it bad and she didn't press charges because she enjoyed it nothing wrong with that... Ash had fun and John loved it and it gave you crazed fucks reading this stuff something to complain about.... Holy fuck Claire and Krystal are hot I'd like a threesome with those two and Daniel and Anna can join in too.

"Camilla wanted it bad and she didn't press charges because she enjoyed it nothing wrong with that... Ash had fun and John loved it and it gave you crazed fucks reading this stuff something to complain about.... Holy fuck Claire and Krystal are hot I'd like a threesome with those two and Daniel and Anna can join in too."

You're a fucking moron. She didn't press charges because its not like they were being fucking serious.

You are seriously one of the most stupid people I have ever encountered.

Please, jump off a bridge while you still can.

David,

I was unaware that there was a guy named Daniel in the house, but hey if you know a guy named Daniel and you're into that kind of thing GO FOR IT have fun!!!

;)

CAMILLA IS A COCK HUNGRY FAT WHORE!!!!!

SHE ASKED FOR THE WHOLE THING AND SHE DESERVED IT

I REKON SHE SHOOD BE THROWN OUT AND JOHN AND ASH SHOOD BE PUT BACK IN!!

I cant believe that big brother didn't stop it when it was happening or straight afterwards.......15 hours is fukin ridiculous and I think the fact that it was broadcast live over the internet to the public is disgusting! When Camilla and, in fact, all of the other housemates signed up for the show, they did not expect anything of this nature to occur.

Also whoever the fukin knob head that said Camilla would have asked for councelling etc. if she wanted it - u are a fukstain! As if u would want that shown oin national TV...If it were me id want it kept as quiet as possible until I was out of the house and could talk to my friends and family.

John and ASh's behaviour was appaling and degrading and Gaelan's was not mush better. Someone needs to break them. They deserve to be throuwn into a giant mincer and made into sausage rolls that will be shoved in others faces - seeing as thats what they wanted so bad. I hope they get what is coming to them!

They are disgusting animals!

pinkpretzal,

Such a revolting comment can only be made by a twelve year old child who has a crush on two stupid boys....grow the fuck up you silly child....

What these people do on this reality TV show has nothing on what the actual youth of toady is getting up to. Last week a girl died when she over dosed on prescription drugs -age 16 attended a private school- all the time kids are going to parties getting pissed and sleeping with random revilers, falling pregnant and becoming addicted to drugs and alcohol - I think this is more serious than what happened to ash john and cam. . This is just the average going ons for kids theses days nothing can stop it society has already changed. I am sure that ash and john meant no harm of what they did, it was just a case of wrong place wrong time, and if these events happened at a Friday night party no one would think twice about it. It is just a shame that the boys forgot they were being watched and needed to be very careful about what they did so it couldn't be taken out of context. the amount of reports I heard that were completely over the top about the event on escalate the situation and as a result we have all these people on this sight putting the boys down and making them sound like dirty mongrels. John and Ash are good boys and what you need to remember is that they are probably beating themselves up more that you can imagine about the event and people getting all highly strung and defensive about it is not helping. remember that because the event is not aloud to be shown for what it was -being the events before and after- this has lead to a lot of it being greatly exaggerated and taken out of context.

Ash and John you have my support just try and get through this tough time and don't get to hung up on things you can't change. you did well as house mates and were enjoyable to watch.

I don't think we need to get angry at either Camilla, John or Ashley. No one is at fult for what happened we make our own choices and we have to then deal with the consequnses -which is this case are huge beacuse it was done on national TV

it was only a joke get over it everyone!

CAMILLA IS A FAT UGLY VAGINA CRAVER SHE IS AS FAT AS A WHALE

wel wel wel.... personally i think the bb show is just disgusting and should never of been put on channel ten. the john, ash and cam incident was the last straw i fought to get adults only of air and im now fighting to get the hole thing of. john holding camilla while ash slaps her in the face with his small pathetic penis is absaloutley wrong and gross. camilla should have bit ashes penis of and spat it in john face. sincerley Dr,Suane Porter

Hey, sarah, can you tell me where you go to party ?

I'd just like to make sure my three daughters and one son give it a wide berth.

If you think Ash and Jon's behaviour is "average", I'd better make sure my kids hang out with nothing less than an "above average" crowd.

For "Dr" Porter

I find it interesting that you call yourself Dr, and IF you are in fact a Dr, how the hell did you get through medical school with such terrible spelling????

This issue seems to be bringing out strong emotions in alot of people, myself included. What needs to be remembered however is that John and Ashleys actions were entirely inappropriate, despite Camillas conflicting opinions. Her real or percieved promiscuity has no bearing on the matter. What matters is that she was not given any choice in the matter during the incident, and this clearly counts as an example of sexual assault.

Camillas difficulty with the situation is not uncommon for victims of this type of crime. Many women in the same circumstances are torn between loyalty to their assailants, and a depressing feeling that they have been violated.

Those who claim that 'It's just a show', or that 'If you don't like it, switch off' are missing the real impact that these popular young people have on our youth culture. Tender young minds are easily manipulated, If it wasn't so then why would advertising companies aim so much of their marketing at the youth audience?. The simple truth is that monkey see is monkey do, and too many young people don't have the maturity to appreciate what is and isn't acceptible behaviour.

This sort of behaviour needs to be corrected. Just because 'it happens' in society is no justification for our acceptance. Any assault of this kind should be dealt with harshly, not neccesarily through law, but certainly through our contempt as a community.

Kudos to 'Big Brother' and the media in general for highlighting what most of us should already know. Women deserve respect and drunken hijinx or not,poor reputation or not, they should not be treated in this way.

Hey charlie;

You remind me of a mentally retarded 8 year old.

wait no..

A mentally retarded 8 year old would be smarter than you.

This is such a DISGRACE man. Two fuckheads sexually harrasing a girl in such manner on public television. Imagine how she would feel with the whole of australia still watchin her even after this and IMAGINE HOW HER PARENTS WOULD FEEL watching her daughter like this.

Those two guys should be locked up forever or be turkey slapped by Big Brother. Hahaha. And gay gaylan doesn't know what to say and when to say. He should be kicked out as well.

Luttid:

Have you ever watched video hits?

Do you think that the half dressed girl singers gyrating and dancing suggestively, singing "I'll go do my thang while you're playing with your ----" isn't affecting the young minds of today?

Puh-lease. It's rampant everywhere and now BB is solely getting the blame?

I could understand every ones point but how many kids are online at 4 am seriously ad if they are its there parents that need the serving not BB we let them see far worse on the news rapes, murders, terrorists and every 1 wants to make a big deal over a JOKE take a look at ourselves for a minute and see if were perfect !!!!!!

isnt camilla the chic who boasted and showed off about being able to jam her pussy with her vibrators she took into the house??the sad sluts who come in here and say all this is an outrage just dont get any cock thats all,,the boys made a pass at her..albeit a lurid pass,how do we know that conversations havent yet been edited out that may have left base minds like ash to think that his behaviour would only be seen as a party trick , if you look at it legally asley hasnt done anything wrong at all his actions would have been easily seen to be coming by camilla,if she's been left renderless to do anything about it then thats been due to jon restraining her..

I'm an aussie living in London, just stumbled on this story and have been feeling sick for last hour. Finally located the footage to make some sort of informed judgement and I agree with many - the incident itself has been blown out of proportion but what has horrified and frightened me are many of the attitudes being displayed on this forum!!! She is clearly a girl with very low self esteem, she is craving attention, and unfortunately this makes her a target for the worst sorts of misogynistic, ignorant bastards such as this "Ash" and "John". They were deliberately trying to humiliate and degrade her in the cruelest way. No, I don't believe it was a serious sexual assault but it was far from a bit of fun, and obviously she did not loudly complain because she was terrified of the disapproval of the others. Where do the idiots on this site get off calling her cock hungry and a slut?!!! Leave her the hell alone! You are pathetic! Those two guys are cruel bullies and it is sick and quite scary that people are dismissing that sort of cruelty as a harmless joke. I hope she is well supported when she gets out of that zoo and those two idiots realise how cruel and dangerous their attitudes and behaviour are.

This is a bit late, but posting back to Insight ( July 2, 2006 12:07 PM).

You fucking Yank, you speak as if there is nothing wrong with the country you come from. Cyclone Tracy and Hurricane Katrina, equally as damaging and just as tragic. The only difference is 2 or 3 months later, Cairns is back on its feet thanks to support from Australians. New Orleans, however, is still a giant trash heap and people are still dieing and it has been almost a year now! Lend a hand once in a while! There is 300 million of you for god sake. So much for "United states".

By the way, what Ash and John did was wrong but I do agree that Big Brother is fueling the fire and he is partially responsible.

I think it was all in good fun - she deserved a good slap... what are those boys supposed to think when shes bringing her dildos into the house etc? Pfft in uk big brother they had a woman broadcast live on tele, shove a wine bottle up her pussy - SHE CAME SECOND! big brother aus should have more fun

Thanks for your support Anon. Im pretty sure i do know who you are!

There are so many opinions flying out there, its hard to keep up.

Time will tell us all the outcome, and despite what we think about it, our opinions will have fuck all bearing on the outcome.

Only three people, can choose what happens! ill be interested to see the outcome!

Just testing. Wondering why comments I posted a few hours ago post hasn't shown up yet.

Pffft...what's the big deal? There's far worse things that can happen to a person than being slapped in the face with a penis. Why is everyone so sexually uptight these days? It's all so heavy and full of anger and seriousness, while the people involved were obviously just engaging in some silly fun. Nobody got hurt or humuliated UNTIL a big deal was made out of it.

I just watched the clip here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX4lM8gm-sM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhV8oQiIwYI

Thought it was kinda funny! Sexual assault? You have to be joking! It was silly and immature but I definitely don't think it was a "sexual assault". It seems like they were just having some harmless fun. Notice how Camilla "assaulted" John at the end. Maybe that needs an investigation too? lmao.

I think it's stupid how it's been described as a "serious" sexual assault and everyone making such a big deal over it especially the media. Don't think it's fair John and Ash are being portrayed by the media like they've committed a horrible crime. It's not a sexual assault when it was obvious they were just messing around and Camilla stated she wasn't offended, "we laughed it off" and saying "There was no malice intended, they were doing it in a playful way" She doesn't sound like a "victim" does she so stop with the oohh poor Camilla crap. She enjoyed it!

The police have also decided there isn't enough evidence to warrant an investigation since they have viewed the footage and interviewed the housemates.

http://tinyurl.com/rqnja

Yeah I agree! just watched the clip here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX4lM8gm-sM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhV8oQiIwYI

Thought it was kinda funny! Sexual assault? You have to be joking! It was silly and immature but I definitely don't think it was a "sexual assault". It seems like they were just having some harmless fun. Notice how Camilla "assaulted" John at the end. Maybe that needs an investigation too? lmao.

I think it's stupid how it's been described as a "serious" sexual assault and everyone making such a big deal over it especially the media. Don't think it's fair John and Ash are being portrayed by the media like they've committed a horrible crime. It's not a sexual assault when it was obvious they were just messing around and Camilla stated she wasn't offended, "we laughed it off" and saying "There was no malice intended, they were doing it in a playful way" She doesn't sound like a "victim" does she so stop with the oohh poor Camilla crap. She enjoyed it!

The police have also decided there isn't enough evidence to warrant an investigation since they have viewed the footage and interviewed the housemates.

http://tinyurl.com/rqnja

I agree exactly with what Owl posted earlier: Camilla was more upset about her fight with Perry. It's you guys and all your comments of what she should think/feel about this that is going to cause Camilla problems when she gets out. You are going to cause her to feel she's at fault because she wasn't as angry as you are. She will be the victim, but at your expense, not from the incident itself.

By the way, there is NO NEED to hate on the Americans. Why judge what you don't understand? I feel that it is more inappropriate and harmful to be verbally bashing on someone for being from another country, with such hatred, than turkey slapping a girl in the face! I mean, they were just being friends, hugging, laughing and playing around with a little bit of intimate contact. Camilla turned around and hugged the guy who 'held her down' straight away. If she felt abused, she definitely wouldn't have done that. To me, it didn't even look like he was holding her down forcefully; just playfully. I would judge the video by my own emotional reaction; it made me smile and laugh to watch it, and not tense up or feel angry. Because amusement and friendship was what I saw there and sensed from the people involved in the video; not hatred or abuse.

my name is ben omg i cant believe it my dog ate my cat and my cat at the sheep and the sheep ate the dog sooo i got no animals and thne some how a big black cloud came over me!! "slap slaP slap" ash just woke me up to much slapping stupid idiot i was sleepig!!!

hey all i fort it was funny abit yuk but funny she deserved it

I think its a shocker that they think she would even like their smelly dick in her face. This is on par with dogs eating their own vomit.

Ash and John WERE good guys, and it was a joke, but that still was terrible i find it gross, As for the feminists who have posted, there are other men who RESPECT women so stop complaining. Gaelen's booted so leave that topic alone, and he's AWSOME

“thort” “herd” “awefull” “councelling” “still dere” “dey did” “ma ass she shud of said no from the begining im 100% sure dey wuld of stopped imeadiatly”

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE AND WHY DON’T YOU KNOW HOW TO SPELL?? Interesting how most of the people who think it was “just a joke” and Camilla “deserved/wanted” it seem to struggle with the English language. It says a great deal about the education (or lack of it) that you kids have received. You are lacking in so many areas it’s not even worth getting into a conversation with you.

I really do weep for the future.

Yo, this is bullshit. You people claiming that it is normal post sexual assault behaviour that camilla is exibiting, how the fuck would u know? No two people are the same, there's no way someone 'should' or 'shouldnt' act after such an incident. You're forgetting the big picture. Before you start crying rape and calling for all men to be killed for their overly sexual ways, think about the person it actually happened to, not your own feelings. Sure, its weird to put your dick in anyones face, I dont personally do it myself, but the fact is Camilla knew it was a joke, ash and john knew it was a joke, they laughed about it, everything was cool, she doesnt want to make a formal complaint, so why do u care, really? REALLY??? Put it this way, what if it was two women who held down a guy and rubbed their vaginas in his face, all you women would be saying "nah their is nothing wrong with that, he probably liked it" It wouldnt even nearly be considered sexual assault, and you fuckin know it.

Also, None saw it on tv, and anyway, like someone said earlier, kids see way more sexual stuff on Video fuckin hits every saturday n sunday "come on baby if you like what you see, im a let u work up on it, come on baby come on check on me tonight" or some shit while they shake and wiggle their arses. That is the only type of dancing I see on video clips these days, and its only women doing it. But no thats ok cos its only music. BB is tv, even thought its 4 am, so its evil and should be axed. The show should be axed cos it takes up valuable simpsons time every year and is full of the same wanker metro trendy people who have the same trendy interests, not cos of some shit thats been blown out of proportion. Fuck.

Christ, you people need a life! May they all go to hell!

By the way, bagging peoples spelling mistakes and trying to establish a link from that to their opinions is really childish. So because people cant spell as well as you, their opinion must be rubbish? "its not worth having a conversation with you" is like saying "im taking my bat and ball and going home". A piss poor excuse. You just know they have a point, although you dont want to acknowledge it.

Thank goodness people are watching the video now before ranting. People, please report sexual assaults that happen to YOU or someone who cannot speak for themselves and let Camilla speak for herself without putting your reactions in as her thoughts. Fair enough if you would be disgusted and assaulted if it happened to you, but it didn't! It happened to Camilla.

OK from what i have seen a school , alot this is nothin new, but a show like this promoting it , adds to this behaviour . I really am sure that this comment of my opinion probrebly wounld'nt help as much as i would like it , towards this problem. Because to me i would'nt like to see or heard of any person i know to be sexrually harassed because it is really humanly degradable to ones self essteam , security , socially standing ect ect.... I should know , its happened to me!

For all you kinderten kiddies, whose sole foray into spelling has finally reached four letters..

It's obvious you have no idea what a can of whoop ass Michael and Michael have opened..The have really shat in your sandbox..

And before you start with those four letters, let me say I'm a premium member, and have been since week one...

Now it matters not who is right and who is wrong, the number of children just like Lamie who want their toys NOW, and sulk and scream if they don't get them, is aiding the voice of the moral majority which now includes headline news on CNN.com... Make no mistake, the MM is a MAJORITY and will now be looking seriously at BB, with a lot of ammo to blow it away.

For those of us who would like to see a much better version next year, your dummy spits and rattle throws are a pain in the ass..If you just want to troll don't waste our time..

The MM will certainly get BB closed If you keep carring on like illeducated brats.

Whos Lamie. And why do you want to see the show on again next year? Do you actually find it entertaining?

I dont think it was 'sexual assault', but it was degrading and disrespectful.

What saddens me is how many people posting in here seem to think thats ok!

Even more sad is how many have commented on how its a common occurence.

The more that disrespect for others is accepted, the worse it will become. Peer pressure, and lets face it this is a bunch of YOUNG people, seems to say that this kind of behaviour is acceptable and therefore to be offended by it is NOT acceptable.

Poor Camilla, and poor young girls everywhere that will succomb to acceptance of this.

I will use this whole thing to teach my kids, who are at the beginning of their teens, that respect for others is paramount ... hopefully thats the message that will come out to a lot of the younger ones that watch this show, and make the future not as dismal as it appears to be with the generation portrayed on BB06 and this forum!

No these people are consenting adults, they have their own minds. If you dont want a dick in your face, very well then, if someone does it to you, then THAT is disrespectful and disgusting. But some people do not mind a dick in the face, some cosider it harmless fun, flirting and/or exciting, otherwise im sure Camilla would have made a formal complaint. The fact is she didnt mind, she said so, it was harmless fun. You have to accept that. Your kids didnt see it did they? if they did, why were they up at 4 am? Teach your kids that its disrespectful to do it to someone who does not consent to having it done to them. But we dont live in the 1800's, not everyone these days has the same christian 'no sex before marriage' values as others, young adults these days do that kind of thing, as much as it is weird, they do. Times change, values evolve.

she enjoyed it, read the transcripts.

Of course my kids havent seen it, but they can hardly be unaware of it when its front page news!!!!

I think camilla said it was all ok cos she would be slammed if she didnt, judging by the attitude of most ive read of the same age group.

The fact that camilla DIDNT think it was wrong i think is because of peer pressure from the 'general' acceptance of this kind of thing ... and that is SAD!!!!

People of this age group seem to have no idea of what is right or wrong, of how to respect each other, and cannot and will not defend or protect themselves for fear of backlash like 'living in the 1800s' or other such ridiculous and immature comments.

As for 'values evolve' ... think about that comment. Disrespect is now an accepted 'value'??? I hope not or we're in for a very bleak future!

No these people are consenting adults, they have their own minds. If you dont want a dick in your face, very well then, if someone does it to you, then THAT is disrespectful and disgusting. But some people do not mind a dick in the face, some cosider it harmless fun, flirting and/or exciting, otherwise im sure Camilla would have made a formal complaint. The fact is she didnt mind, she said so, it was harmless fun. You have to accept that. Your kids didnt see it did they? if they did, why were they up at 4 am? Teach your kids that its disrespectful to do it to someone who does not consent to having it done to them. But we dont live in the 1800's, not everyone these days has the same christian 'no sex before marriage' values as others, young adults these days do that kind of thing, as much as it is weird, they do. Times change, values evolve.

People should keep in mind that John and Ash are truly sorry for upsetting Camilla as they didn't mean any malice. Also, Camilla probably wont want to dwell on this any longer than necessary as she has already stated that she wasn't going to press charges. Just because John, Ash and Camilla are Big Brother celebrities, it doesn't give them the skills to deal with a whole nation's attention. I know for a fact that the boys feel sick to the stomach with everything that has gone down and wish they could take it all back. They are genuinley kind people - please be a little more forgiving.

sorry bout posting that twice, accident.

Anyway, on the contrary, I believe most people would have agreed with her that it was disrespectful, if she thought it was, and was upset by what the boys did. Everyone knows that you dont do something against anothers will, especially of a sexual nature. I think Camilla said it was ok because she is friends with the boys, and she knew it was harmless fun.

Of course people know between right and wrong. Its just that your opinion of right and wrong differs from todays youth opinion of right and wrong. Maybe saying its not the 1800's was a little exagerated, I dont think you're 200 years old, if so whats your secret, but you know what I mean, it was the same in the 60's, parents were furious with kids for being open with their sexuality, and the same is relevant nowadays. People are more open about their bodies, and their sex life. I dont think its general acceptance of disrespect, just that people know when it is just a joke, and when it is taken too far. The boys knew they were on a national tv show where they knew they would be watched 24/7, I dont think they'd have done it if they thought Camilla would object and call it sexual harassment, there would be too much evidence against them. And they are all, regardless of whether they are male or female, young horny good looking people, thats why they were picked for the show.

I wouldnt say disrespect is an accepted value, but it is getting to that point, I agree. You do have video hits and such programs showing scantily clad women dancing suggestively for men, and gangsta rappers talking about "bitches and ho's" and disrespecting women. Even the female artists are basically telling men "im a sex object, thats all, come fuck me". As for being on the front page, blame the bloody newspapers, they are the ones who made a big deal out of it in the first place. Seriously, if people dont want to watch the show cos it offends them, then they should change the channel or turn the tv off.

Am I the only cockhead that noticed that John's twitch disappeared during the Michael/Michael special? We've been had all along

Russell,

I and lots of others noticed it too. Perhaps he was sedated a little?

Luke ... I understand what you're saying to a degree, and I certainly dont think theres anything wrong with being 'open about sexuality' ... but I think this incident and the general acceptance of it being ok to do to someone in front of a bunch of others, on tv or not, is going a bit beyond 'being open'.

I agree with you that if people don't like the show they should simply not watch it, and I dont see why this incident should have the showed cancelled or banned.

I do think they need to bring back a wider range of people and agegroups as housemates to give it some balance though. This group was pretty much a bunch of young, egomaniacal, immature and selfish creatures, and this event is pretty much the result.

For the record ... I love BB ;) just not that impressed on the direction they have taken on choosing housemates in 06. Sex sells, but this is a show mostly in the 7pm timeslot ... they need to keep that in mind!

i thought that it was exagerated from the start but seeing the pics makes me understand to a certain point why this incident is being looked at a little more seriosly.. i think the guys have shown their remorse and lets remember that camilla is handling it better than the media themselves... she doesn;t seem distressed if anything she's upset the guys have gone.. i don't condone any acts of sexual abuse i can understand from both sides what has happened... i just think the people trying to axe the show never liked the show in the first place and are just using this as an excuse... if camilla seemed distressed then i could understand but she clearly shows she isn;t...

Humm i read a comment that this behaviour has well acceptance within the BB house , last year "Michael" apparently did the same thing not to sure what happen tho its where it was invented "Turkey Slap". So if bigbrother has seen this behaviour before within the control rooms they would of been able to predict what was going to happen. Tho of cource lol their dont going to stop it they proberbly getting the highest ratings ever after this incidence. Every one i know is now talking about it and wanting to obserb the aftermath of the situation. BB is glad of the situation. Even tho they mmight have a slight chance of finishing which was going to happen sooner or latter anyway.

4 huever said camilla asked 4 it is fucking stupid ..how culd she asked 4 it dey called her over ..nd it was a bloody joke camilla got it but not u dikheds huever said camilla is a fat whore needs their eyes checked ..shes not fuckin fat..im also not happy with the axe of john and ash

Camilla is to blamed. She incited all this. If she had act a bit morally decent, the guys wouldn't have done it.

"If you want respect, act like you deserve it"

what is camillla suppose to do 2 show respect mate

have any of you seen the video? they are all a disgrace. what woman crawls in bed with two drunk grown men, after they have been suggestive etc? nice role model for our daughters... share the responsibility, she should be kicked off as well.

it's bad enough having morons like this in real life, let alone having it on prime time TV before quality shows like The Simpsons! thank god for the "mute" button!

renee

You are one of them. Cos you don't see anything wrong in that. Look what she had done from day one. Showing off dildo to get attention.

Look at what she did after the incident?! Giving a big jerk to Johns penis twice and being slapped again with "F$#@ off". Well don't you see she managed to do it soon after the cock slap incident?

What i dont understand is why the ninjas didn't intervene & put a stop to the incident!

i rekn its fukn hilariouz....the boys shuldnt get kikd out they are top blokes having fun and now the whole series is gonna suck...turkey slapz r fukn funny as...ppl needa get less seriouz for fuck sakes ay

"Camilla is to blamed. She incited all this. If she had act a bit morally decent, the guys wouldn't have done it."

Respect, that's perilously close to blaming sexual assault victims for wearing fashionable clothing or being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Camilla didn't consent, end of story.

give bb a break it was done out of fun and all parties have agreed to that and camilla will take it for a ride on her side to get vote for the whole poor camilla thing John and Ash maybe should of thought more before they acted but look at what camilla has said in past on what she likes and dont like go saiying all that you have to suspect things to happen even outta FUN

respect ..wat do u mean iam 1 of dem .. ur a fucking idiot she brang a bloody dildo 2 de housee 4 her entertainment for god sake shes locked in that house 4 3 months.....

not so ppl can turkey slap ..wdf ur sooo stupid

i dont agree with u RESPECT becoz wat shud she do 2 show respect huh?

this would make good viewing on tv.in the real world people get turkey slapped for breakfast.

Insight - such a contradiction you are. Aboriginals - the rue Australians? Have you forgotten the history of your country? Yes John and Ashley are morons no debate in that. What about Timothy McVeigh, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, George Bush and the list would go on for numerous pages. Basically dont stereotype a nation over the mistakes of few. I would still go to America, despite it being run by a complete simpleton. And if Americans see Australia as a vacation spot and nothing else, then why are you becoming a citizen. Vacation must be over by now right? You really should stop contradicting yourself. And on to Big Brother - the adopted English reality program. People watch this show - it earns the station money, people who work on this show do so to retain employment - yes they may even enjoy their job. Good for them - there's no crime in that. Stop blaming the people who work on the show and the quality of their work. They're getting the ratings which means they are doing their job. Two fools come into the house and break rules - they're removed. I'm not going to comment on what should happen to J and A - I'm just saying that their actions are not the direct result of the people who work on the show or even the concept...unless BB told them to do what they did. No.

I found the "incident" to be more silliness than even remotely "assault." Its obvious there is a lot of sexual tension in that environment and everyone in that room should probably expect that they will, at some point, be solicited by someone, boy or girl, or both. You'd have to be a complete idiot not to see that from a mile away. That said, if, as the reports suggest, it was truely a sexual assault, I believe the LAST thing that Camilla, or any girl, for that matter, would do would be to remain in the very same bed with the very two people who assaulted her. I mean, after that horrific assault brought upon her she, at her own, free will, clearly feels comfortable enough to snuggle-up really closely to John (the one accused of "holding her down") – AND – she even sets herself up to [potentially] be ASSaulted (sorry, I just couldn’t resist that one) from the rear, by Ashley (the one accused of the sexual assault), when she exposes her backside to him. I ask you, do any of her actions and behaviors seem at all like those of someone who was just [2-3 minutes prior] sexually assaulted, or who feels threatened, or who might be remotely concerned for her safety? It doesn’t sound like any of those, to me… And, to be honest, I think that John almost seemed to be getting more out of the deal than Camilla was! Watch the video… He doesn't take his eyes off of Ashley's (turkey log?) which also begs the question, "what were John and Ashley doing sleeping in the same bed with one another, in the first place??"I think John and Ashley might have a little something going on w/one another, and Camilla is their "fag hag"! I just wish this show was on in America! I can’t stand that our country is so afraid of the idea of people having sex, or with topless beaches, or full frontal male/female nudity. I can’t understand how the naked human body can be so “offensive” (I’m talking about the really HOT ones, not the really offensive ones) to so many. Yet, the very same people who are offended, SOMEHOW, manage to pop out a few kids, without burning in Hell. I’ve seen more BOOBS on the HAIRY BACKS of MEN, than I have ever seen on women! Why aren’t guys required to wear a top, when they have 2-4 boobs? It makes no sense why a chick w/ flawless boobs must keep them wrapped up and covered, while Mr. Sumo Fatassamura is allowed to serve up a couple pounds of pancakes with a side of sweat, and walk anywhere he wants, without putting his twins away.

• I digress… Here's a link to the video, while it lasts!: http://ravpup.bittah.com/videos/bb6auday069livefeed_incident-korntunes-cut.asx

To everyone who said something along the lines of: "I believe the LAST thing that Camilla, or any girl, for that matter, would do would be to remain in the very same bed with the very two people who assaulted her."

...if you truly believe that, then you must truly know shit-all about sexual harrassment. Which is a pretty disgusting reflection of the state of Health Ed classes.

What it comes down to is this; any reasonable human being in their situation wouldn't have done that. They are arseholes.

As for wether it really affected her that powerfully, there's really no way to tell. She's in a high pressure social environment where you have to act certain ways, or you'll be labelled certain other ways (no, i'm not talking about the Big Brother house, i'm talking about Australia).

Most people who have been sexually assaulted/harrassed (even raped) have been in similar situations. It's not uncommon for victims of even the worst sexual assault to be chummy with their harrassers/assaulters/rapists.

It happens. Thats a fact. Here's another fact; whenever you hear the statment: "oh, if she was really sexually harrassed, she wouldn't have done this-cant-that", 9 times out of 10, you're listening to some random jerk who' s never been in a remotely similar situation talking out of their arse.

Educate yourselves on the topic a bit before spreading such rubbish further, and you'll be able to use your words to tone down the garbage that sexual harrassment/assault/rape victims have to put up with, instead of just making things worse.

I can't believe people are calling it a joke! Just a question to these people: would you be totally ok joking around/flirting with a guy and then having them slap their dick out for you? Joking should not be considered an invitation for someone to act the way they did.

It's pathetic that people have no concept of what is acceptable and what isn't. So since this "isn't a huge deal" is it acceptable for people you know and have come to trust to act this way? is it ok to have someone shove their dick in your face and call it a joke? because oh... you were 'in on the joke'?

Unless I ask a guy to put their dick anywhere near my face I don't expect them to, anything otherwise is simply not acceptable.

and is it just me or is that all the idiots who don't see this as 'a big issue' those who also type using words like 'dis' dem' and 'thort'?

Morons.

Nemesis.

Watch the video. It shows Camilla groping John's privates under the sheets. He says "Giss a hand" , raises the sheet and she goes in for the grope.

Oh and techies; The Remember personal info doesn't seem to work, I constantly have to redo my name and email addy :(

Ive seen the footage and camilla was laughing and playing back through the whole thing, yes it was wrong but it was BOTH sides that were the victims. Ash and john are blokes, blokes do dumb shit. camilla gets slapped in the face with ash's penis. ash and john get KICKED out of big brother and they have to go home to there familys when big brother has made this seem like something its not. they did something wrong but seriously if camilla didint like it she would of said to both of the boys from the start NO! and worst comes to worst she screams, instead she was lauging and had a huge grin until she did say NO to john and they stopped, didint they.

Think about all sides of the story and figure out who the victims are

renee..

Can you go and take your dildo with you where ever you go? Maybe take it to a mate's birthday party for your entertainment. You immature slut.

Oh, leave it alone all of you who are so disgusted by it. It was just a bit of dick in the face. Nothing wrong with that, no sir/madam, there is not. As long as it's amongst friends...

Was it outrageous? yes. But I feel that Big Brother has completely exploited John and Ash. There's been recent evidence that was of Camilla saying she wanted to be turkey slapped. So is Camilla really a victim here. Big Brother hasn't shown this footage yet either.

Certainly that sort of behaviour should never be condoned, but after considering all the avialable evidence (reading some of this page), I am of the opinion that all three enjoyed the willy waggling, and that no real harm has been done. but, let this page be a lesson, never slap girls with your willy, it isnt very nice.

saying that, any girls wanna beef curtain slap me, feel free!.

Theer lesson should be hard like you would teach a child when they do something wrong.

CUt theer peni off

OMG You man haters, fuck! You say that "you havent been in a sexual assault situation, you dont know". Is that the way ALL sexual assualt/rape victims respond, by being chummy with their assailants? Do you know the details of every sexual assault case ever? I think its reasonable to believe that if a girl didnt like that kind of behaviour, she would have screamed or yelled no. You got one thing right, we dont know for sure. So dont imply that the majority act that way cos you dont know for sure either. I urge you to think of it this way again: would there be so much uproar if it was two girls who put their vaginas in a guys face? would you consider it sexual assault then? Of course fuckin not, cos its commonly considered by women and the general public that men are perverted and like that shit, which is a misconception. Im not saying, men, put your dick in a girls face cos they like it, im saying dont say those things when u havent considered the facts, they were BOTH flirting and both consenting.

you females are a bunch of pigs listen to the way your winging so what, ash just slaps her with his dick, i reckon they're a bunch of legends, good on em

And that person who said "Camilla was made to feel she had to do something with John n Ash because she knew they didnt like her" what a fuckin cop out. She brought a dildo into the house, obviously to put inside her vagina, showed everyone, basically shouted to the world that she is a sexually active young woman, and shes the innocent one who gets unfairly led around by men who apparently tell her she's ugly? She's the poor girl who felt that her looks werent good enough, and thats someone elses fault? The guys obviously thought she'd be up for something, and from the footage it seems she was, I dont think they should have held her down, and turkey slapping isnt a common occurance, but her whole time in the house she acted like she the rest of them, young horny and dumb.

i think this is awful that poor girl as much as i enjoy big brother i think its time it called it a day now its getting worse and worse there all having sex and now its come to this cut it >tessa<

I can't believe this thread is still going. I had to come back for another look. The video/audio was pretty clear. Camilla say after crawling between the boys on the bed, "you're not going to turkey slap me are you?", then giggling "you are you liars, let me in". It is obvious that she knew what was about to occur and gave consent? How can this be in any way classed as an assault. With three in the bed, what is the third to do but grab hold and who amongst us hasn't restrained a lover in a friendly tussle? There certainly didn't appear to be any malice intended and no offence taken. On the contrary, Camilla sat up and crowed about it to the other housemates afterward. A feather in her cap? To any one that has followed Camilla's stories in the house, she was no stranger to threesomes and more. Not some naive little girl being led astray. So where has all the negative feed come from on this story? Is there Channel 7/9 narks sitting on the live streams just hanging out to crucify the show at first opportunity? It really must cut them that TEN does so well at this time of the year. It would seem they've done their best to destroy the lives of the three involved. Not a very Australian thing to do. The media is much sicker than the three involved in this incident and yet it seems immune to any charges. After watching various media reports, it also begs the question on how qualified the various authorities on sexual assault are in this country and what advice they give out. I have been a victim on sexual assault myself, it's not something one accuses people of lightly but definitely shouldn't be ignored either. I know what it's like to be held down against my will. And on a final note, Camilla was one of my favourite people on the show (I'm not bagging her out), while the boys I had little love for, but I really think they've all been wronged by the media over this incident.

Here, here! Finally a sane person.

Oh PUHLEEZ!

There is nothing I like better than the smell of fresh bourgeois left hypocrisy first thing in the morning.

The only person “humiliating” her is the 1970s bumper-sticker feminists. These screeching harpies with their "No Means No" airheadedness is just pitiful.

This chick might not have been “asking for it,” but I will tell you one thing, she sure as hell was “gagging for it!”

I think most of you must be stuck in the 1950s. The “kids” who audition for shows like this would suck off anybody for the price of a bus fare. Mindless little sluts and trailer trash.

I love it! Somebody call me if Professor Lumby is woken in the middle of the night to adjudicate on a “bun.”

Oh come on, ive seen worse happen on the dance floor at scruffy murphies in sydney!!! All class

Well, misogynistic macho culture seems to be very much alive....

Some of you are as dumb as f*ck

hi all, Andrei Sychev, new year, 2006 yes this is now

just lost his legs, penis, and fingers... from bullying at army tank school... ............................

we have laws in australia, on torture, and abuse...

abuse comes under lots of types, verbal, emotional, physical etc. and so on

they all come under ASSAULT laws which are a crime...

I personally think BB and australians are GREAT to stand up to UNGENTLEMAN like behaviour....

and UNLADYLIKE behaviour...

when a society tolerates abuse,and becomes IMMUNE to what abuse is.....

it does not BODE well

JHH

I think that it was a wrong thing to do but i think that camilla liked it beause she would allways talk about it, such as having a threesome and lots more if you wached uncut that is. But it was a wrong thing towards the community from John and Ash because now that would be a bad reputation for them now but they get what they get for doing what they did but i thought that John and Ash had alot of pertential in winning it the both of them but now they cant do anything!!!!!!!

fucking idet

camilla is a whinny bitch anyway, she deserved a slap in the face with a dick, get over it fem-nazi's

I DONT SEE WHY PEOPLE ARE BAGGING JOHN AND ASH OUT CAMILLA LOVED EVERY BIT OF IT I MEAN COME ON SHE WAS LAUGHING THE WHOLE TIME

we have LAWS in australia..

1. it comes under ASSAULT laws..

2. it is against the law to intimidate ? a person.... either physically, verbally, and emotionally

and it is a CRIME

never get so used to abuse that you become IMMUNE to it...

very dangerous.... for any society, as a small search on abuse would show

JHH

OMG! i so do not believ that Ash or John could do sumfin like dat its stupid and pathedic. i mean like they knew dat it would make headlines!!!! i think if they actually did it thats so wrong and gross. if camilla didnt wan to tlk bout it maybe it was a joke or she didnt want them to get in trouble. i don't think that BB should be axed because its what the housemates did not BB. heaps of people enjoy it like me and people on the show should be consquenced not the show all together. i hope to see it on next yr but more rules about assualt in the house not just removing but charging.

catie x

The real scandal is that you didn't inform us you were to be featured in a certain Sunday broadsheet.

Or even boasted about it afterwards.

Ha!

To be truthful, I was rather mortified by the whole thing. I HATE pictures at the best of times - having a rather raucous all nighter the evening before the snapper is due to arrive at your place is not a good idea. Hence my silence on the whole thing.

By the way, I'm not deleting comments from the front page or anything, it's just we're getting spammed and everytime the rubbish is deleted, it sort of "wipes the slate clean" on the homepage. Comments still exist.

Now let us never speak of this again.

get fuked respect u call self respect

hah ill do wateva i want i dnt need ur instructions

fukin dikhed

i know it was only a joke for the big brother house mates (jon,ASh).even no big brother is very unreasonable this year he still had to eliminate them from the house because if someone was to see what had happen in the house, their would be more of an uproar that they were not taken out earlier... soi im sticking with big brother on this one

OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!! people seriously GET OVER YOURSELFS it was a bit of HARMLESS fun. your all too fucking tight!!! camilla enjoyed it. she was laughing and thought HERSELF it was just fun. so when she said STOP THEY DID!!!!!!! I don't think you know that all you PATHETIC ladies are ruining john and ash's life!!! I am a woman here to and everyone has different views on what sexual assault is and we all have different idea's on it but SERIOUSLY IT WAS NOTHING I defiantly don't think it was bad because she enjoyed it!!! I want you to all think about your past experiences with "sex" and you'll realise it WAS NOTHING all those ladies who think it was sexual assault and "Discrimination " towards us well then I say...SHOVE IT UP YOUR ARSE because you all have NO RIGHT to ruin john and ash's life by adding comments like you have!!! I think you should take a long hard look at your self’s and BACK OFF!!! they learnt their lesson no give them a FUCKING BREAK all you BITCHES out there!!!!! thanks!!

SERIOUSLY! peoples! you guys are rewening Camilla john and ASHLEY's lives!!!!!!!! just STOP carrying on about it. they had too much to drink.. BIG BROTHER shoudn't have given them that much alcohol in the first place.. then NONE of this would have HAPPEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love ashley no matter what he does. he is a really nice bloke who is funny, kind and generous.. there's nothing in the world that is wrong about him!! so just STOP!!!!!!!! camilla said stop and they stopped !!! she was laughing anyway.. it wasn't like she was screaming or crying now was it?? NO!!!!!! you guys are supporting camilla.. she said stop.. they stoppped. i say stop .. you STOP!!! that's if you don't want to TOTALLY RUIN!!! camilla, john and ASHLEY'S LIVES!!!!!! thank you P.S I LOVE ASHLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

you all suck the big one

you all suck the big one

ur all dickheads.. jon and ash shouldnt have been kicked out for that.. people do that all the time and i know camilla loved it and milked it for all the publicity she could get !!!!!! Camilla is a whore

omfg! john && ash shouldn't have been removed for that! camilla was NOT the victam in this situation -- john did nothing!

he shouldnt have gone!

camilla should have!

dani xo

I CAN NOT BELIEVE ALL THIS FUCKING FUSS! IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE FOOTAGE, I SUGGETS YOU WATCH IT BEFORE YOU COMMENT! THE WHOLE SITUATION HAS BEEN BLOWN COMPLETLY OUT OF PROPORTION!! CAMILLA KNEW EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN B4 SHE GOT IN THAT BED!! SHE CERTAINLY DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A VICTIM OF 'SEXUAL ASSAULT' TO ME! WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT! JOHN & ASH OR SHOULD I SAY THE MICHAELS SHOULD SUE FOR DEFIMATION OF CHARACTOR! THEY HONESTLY HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG! AND WILL NOW FOREVER BE KNOWN AS THE TWO DIRTY BLOKES THAT 'SEXUALLY ASSAULTED' THAT POOR GIRL IN THE BIG BROTHER HOUSE!!! HOW DO YOU THINK THEY FEEL! ? NOT TO MENTION BEING KICKED OUT EARLY, NO PRIZES NO INTERVEIWS NO NOTHING!THEY DIDNT EVEN GET INVITED TO THE FINALE!!! HOW RUDE! IT WAS ALL IN A BIT OF FUN AND IM POSITIVE THAT IF THEY HAD KNOWN WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS GOING TO BE IM SURE THEY DEFFINATELY WOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT! DONT GET ME WRONG, IM NOT SAYING WHAT THEY DONE WAS RIGHT! BUT IT DIDNT WARRANT THIS MAJOR OVEREXAGERATION AND CLAIMS ON 'SEXUAL ASSAULT' - GIVE THE POOR GUYS A BREAK! CAMILLA KNEW FULL WELL WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO HER! SHE EVEN SAID "YOUR NOT GOING TO TURKEY SLAP ME ARE YOU?"- "YOU ARE" AND GIGGLED AS SHE HOPPED INTO BED! COME ON EVERY 1 GIVE THESE GUYS A BREAK, THEY DONT DESERVE IT! THEY HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH

I CAN NOT BELIEVE ALL THIS FUCKING FUSS! IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE FOOTAGE, I SUGGETS YOU WATCH IT BEFORE YOU COMMENT! THE WHOLE SITUATION HAS BEEN BLOWN COMPLETLY OUT OF PROPORTION!! CAMILLA KNEW EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN B4 SHE GOT IN THAT BED!! SHE CERTAINLY DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A VICTIM OF 'SEXUAL ASSAULT' TO ME! WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT! JOHN & ASH OR SHOULD I SAY THE MICHAELS SHOULD SUE FOR DEFIMATION OF CHARACTOR! THEY HONESTLY HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG! AND WILL NOW FOREVER BE KNOWN AS THE TWO DIRTY BLOKES THAT 'SEXUALLY ASSAULTED' THAT POOR GIRL IN THE BIG BROTHER HOUSE!!! HOW DO YOU THINK THEY FEEL! ? NOT TO MENTION BEING KICKED OUT EARLY, NO PRIZES NO INTERVEIWS NO NOTHING!THEY DIDNT EVEN GET INVITED TO THE FINALE!!! HOW RUDE! IT WAS ALL IN A BIT OF FUN AND IM POSITIVE THAT IF THEY HAD KNOWN WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS GOING TO BE IM SURE THEY DEFFINATELY WOULD NOT HAVE DONE IT! DONT GET ME WRONG, IM NOT SAYING WHAT THEY DONE WAS RIGHT! BUT IT DIDNT WARRANT THIS MAJOR OVEREXAGERATION AND CLAIMS ON 'SEXUAL ASSAULT' - GIVE THE POOR GUYS A BREAK! CAMILLA KNEW FULL WELL WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO HER! SHE EVEN SAID "YOUR NOT GOING TO TURKEY SLAP ME ARE YOU?"- "YOU ARE" AND GIGGLED AS SHE HOPPED INTO BED! COME ON EVERY 1 GIVE THESE GUYS A BREAK, THEY DONT DESERVE IT! THEY HAVE SUFFERED ENOUGH

I totally agree with you Kelly, i have seen tha footage and it was Camilla who went over in2 their bed, an then she was goin on about how she got turkey slapped, an just tha night b4 she was saying how in love she was whish an that she wanted 2 pach him GO JAMIE 4 WINNING BB 06!!!

i think that John and Ash should of been aloud to stay in the house...if any of them was to leave it should of been all 3 of them....x0x0

that is fucking nasty

i absoultley love big brother it is the best. the incident with turkey slap with camilla , john and ashley was .. a joke all u ppl r blaming it on the producers .. it wasnt there fault n at the end of the day they did what they thought was rite u lot who think big brother is stupid ur all 2 old and should get a life ..

joh and ashley r bloody maggetz