August 5, 2004

Guess What. I googled my nickname(paulyt69) and clicked on I'm Feeling Lcuky and it brought me here.

We also have copyright on your name. Don't use it elsewhere! :)

Indeed. Just heard it a few hours ago and had the same reaction. Shithouse.

Ahem. Was that a dig at me stares down

LOL.

Im a Krazy with a K person! (re: my domain name) And there is nothing wrong with it! Heh. But theres a semi-interesting (read: not that interesting to anyone but me) story behind that.

I am quite offended by the rise of covers of late... its getting to the point where no one is coming up with anything that is their own.

Did Vanessa get married? I thought she just dissapeared because her second and third albums flopped in the charts - mostly because they were the same old, same old Mark Holden penned corny lyrical 'love the world' trashiness.

(Think "Spin, everyones doin it" and "Rise Up and fly like eagles, rise up through the sky, youve got to rise up to the highest mountain, rise up, rise up, youve got to rise")

No no no, not a dig at you - I'd forgotten of your Krazy With A K domain! As a general rule, most Krazy With A K related stuff usually involves a dodgy discount store or mobile phone sales or something. You're an exception to the rule.

Funnily enough about Amorosi - Ol Shirley (who writes for us sometimes) was telling me that apparently for the song "Shine", Vanessa's original penned lyrics were a rather more morbid "Everyone you see, everyone you know is going to die." Holden must have changed it to a cheerier "Shine" so he could perform it at his school reunions and not remind everyone of how close to death they probably are.

As for the covers, I don't mind interesting cover songs or tributes to stuff, but bland dance versions of stuff is just getting old. "Sunny", "California Dreaming", the Jefferson Airplane song I can't remember... it's going nutty. I think there is one man in Ibiza soley responsible for it, I really do.

You wouldn't know musical talent if it smacked u in the face.

Slinkee Minx are a group I have leard before and have seen live on more than one occasion over the last few years... yes they can cut it live.

As for talent... Read on buddy!! U musta missed the part that said they have been musically trained and have been singing for years!!

I have played a few of their tracks in the clubs and the crowd love it ... and if you actually got off your ass and went out to a club and listened to what the people want u might have a clue about what is talent and what isn't.

The acoustic version (which u will probably never hear of this song because your head is so far up your ass) is amazing ... but yeah, unless u have seen them live, you wouldn't know this.

You are a disgrace to Australia, it's culture and it's people. I hope I never have the displeasure of meeting you in the street (and I definately know I will never meet u in a club)!!!

DJ Max

...that was a joke right. That person isnt serious are they? Please tell me its a joke, a farce. Another one of Jess and Patricks "pretend it isnt me" gags!

Since when do plastic bimbos from Melbourne count as musical talent...

Come to think of it, since when does club music count as musical greatness? PUH-LEASE!

I heard the cover. Any blind man and his dog could have put that together. Especially if they were drunk and vomiting at the time!

And I'd also like to interject (even if this commenter wasnt serious) that I think Jess and Pat are prime examples of Australias REAL culture and people. There should be a national holiday for people like them! :P

Haha, a disgrace to Australia, it's culture and it's people!

Well it wasn't my joke.

Having listened to some of Slinkee Minx myself I have to say that the experience was rather painful.

Though yeah, I'm sure that (as is the case will all dance acts) they are infinitely better live. I mean, with the girls dancing and singing (or miming?) to a live backing tape? That must be inspirational stuff.

Thanks for the feedback. A few points I'd like to reply on...

"As for talent… Read on buddy!! U musta missed the part that said they have been musically trained and have been singing for years!!"

Ahh but Max - reading that they have been musically trained doesn't cut the mustard if their song is a gigantic pile of shite. You see? Practical application of said education is more telling than a certificate from Shithouse Dance TAFE.

"I have played a few of their tracks in the clubs and the crowd love it … and if you actually got off your ass and went out to a club and listened to what the people want u might have a clue about what is talent and what isn’t."

The fact that you're playing their music happily probably says more about your DJ-ing skills than you ever intended. No, I don't go to your kind of clubs because again, I hate that Ibiza-helium-vocals-depressingly-bad-Casio-keyboard-cover-song school of dance music. Also - just because people buy\dance to it while off their face\listen to it without slashing their wrists doesn't neccessarily mean the song is chock-a-block with talent. In any case, I dare say people are responding to the song more because of the love they share with the Belinda original rather than any deep affection for the characterless money-grubbing remake Slinkee Minx have delivered.

"The acoustic version (which u will probably never hear of this song because your head is so far up your ass) is amazing … but yeah, unless u have seen them live, you wouldn’t know this."

No, I probably won't hear the acoustic version because I'm unlikely to go see them live based on this hideous destruction of a pop classic, I'm certainly unlikely to go see any DJ (ie: you) who thinks Slinkee Minx are God's gift to pop\dance tunes, and thirdly I am not spending my hard earned money to buy the single just to hear seven remixes of the same fucking song (acoustic version included or no). So you see, my complete disinterest in their acoustic pillaging of Summer Rain has less to do with my head or it's location in my arse (my fetishes are my business, by the way - I didn't bring up you having your pets lick peanut butter off your testicals so leave my self-arse-munching alone) and more to do with the complete crapness of their original cover.

"You are a disgrace to Australia, it’s culture and it’s people. I hope I never have the displeasure of meeting you in the street (and I definately know I will never meet u in a club)!!!"

If Slinkee Minx are what you think constitutes the culture of Australia, then I am absolute proud to be a disgrace. I revel in my disgrace status. And you're spot on, we're unlikely to meet in a club simply because I don't go to wanky clubs with scarily obsessive DJs who play rubbish Eurotrash-esque butcherings of old pop hits due to a complete lack of originality* in themselves. I'd go as far as to say that it is your respect and admiration for these uncreative hacks that gives some aspects of the dance music community such a terrible if not cheesy name.

*I would like to point out that I don't mean all cover songs are lacking originality. Sometimes cover songs bring out a whole new aspect of the song, or the tune is remixed so unrecognisably that it almost becomes a whole new creation with a life of it's own. However, speeding up the backing track and howling lyrics over the top simply to milk money out of clubbers and DJs with no taste (ahem) does not constitute anything creative in my books.

But hey, just my opinion. I'm no authority on dance music, I just know that as a Belinda Carlisle cover, the Slinkee Minx song was particuarly a steaming pile of arsecrumbs. Clearly DJ Max is the expert in not only good dance music but Australian culture as a whole, so I surrender to his marvellously made points and beg ausculture.com readers to agree with his beliefs rather than my own. And if you get a chance, please try and catch his show at Club Troppo.

And if you get the chance, please try to catch his show at...

The Wakefield Institution: Home of the Criminally Insane. DJ MAX is there daily, busting his rhymes and spinning his tunes! The punters especially love it when he plays stinkee... err sorry Slinkee Minx - it comes on about five minutes after they've had their prozac and viccadin.

Yes, you are right ... Jess is definately a prime example of reall australian culture (laughs) ... Unemployed Looser!!!.. gee have i got something wrong here??? are all australian's unemployed loosers??

ADAM SAYS: "Since when do plastic bimbos from Melbourne count as musical talent…"

I SAY.... Plastic Bimbo's??? U think these girls are plastic bimbos?? gee.. i'm sorry u are only into animal sex Adam ... how is it by the way? Or are u just blind ... llosser!

ADAM SAYS: "Anyone could have put this together…"

I SAY "can't wait to hear your version ... and am very interested in seeing how much airtime it gets ... fuckwit!"

At days end, I support and always support Australian Talent... and these girls definately have my support .. and are definately talented ...

Hazza? Max? "Oh look, I can post in two different names to make it look like someone supports my argument..."

Find another site to annoy.

Bye.

Jess you talk too much.

I'm not unemployed, darling. Just haven't gotten around to updating my About section since my little vacation ended. And before you accuse me of being a dole bludger, I never went on social security either :)

I support Australian talent too - talent being the key word. And I stand by that their cover of Summer Rain is absolutely fucking attrocious. As for the rest of their songs, I wouldn't know - I didn't listen (as I freely admitted in the original article).

Pauly, you talk nonsense. Even? :)

Hahaha, bless him. I reckon he's some fat local DJ who's in the midst of trying to woo one of the Slinkee Minx girls and thinks that trawling the internet and raining wrath upon anyone who doesn't think they're the greatest Australian pop sensation ever will get his doodle touched. I think it's kinda sweet.

By the way, for some reason the name DJ Max (!) feels like a cross between Max Powers and Duff Man from the Simpsons. "Strap yourself in and feel the g's" Please, someone go to DJ Max's 'gigs' and confirm whether it's as hilarious as I think it would be!

ANIMAL SEX? Just because I dont find plastic botox enhanced, fake as you get, uppity cheerleader looking girls... you instantly jump to ANIMAL SEX!? Whats wrong in your warped little mind!? Maybe I just like plastic man-bos... why didnt you jump to that conclusion before animal sex!? (actually I dont restrict myself to such narrow fields but... are you warped much?) Sheesh.

Australian Talent - when talking about these guys... thats such an oxymoron. Let me guess, you probably like and own CD's by Bardot and Scandalus don't you. Hey what ever floats your boat, if manufactured pop is your thing... (and I actually often listen to it! - but I am the first to admit its utter trash musically)... then that is fine. Just dont confuse pop prinnie's with talent.

Oh and my rendition is in the post, along with your solid ass kicking.

actually I reckon its a teenage girl. Name one guy that admits to liking trashy pop!? (unless they are ahem a little on the Oxford street club side)

Me nonsense? No never ever ever ever ;)

Since when do you guys have google ads?

Since recently.

ausculture.com uses a fair amount of bandwidth.

Hopefully they're not too intrusive. We've tried to be tasteful (well, tasteful relative to them being ads) with them.

Do you get paid more when people click on them? or Do you just get a flat fee for having them there?

It's pay-per-click. So feel free to visit those sites. Any money that comes through it will go towards paying for bandwidth.

Ok I clicked on a few of them. Can you do me a favour and add another entry or another article.

Quote: "*I would like to point out that I don’t mean all cover songs are lacking originality. Sometimes cover songs bring out a whole new aspect of the song, or the tune is remixed so unrecognisably that it almost becomes a whole new creation with a life of it’s own."

The mix you've heard is the comercial dance version. Of course it's going to be cheesy!! It's not horrible - I've heard a lot worse, and it still holds much of the charm of the origials as far as covers go. Still has some room for the instrumental and the stings sound pretty sweet. Dance version of 80's tracks are not my cup of tea either though; so I do have to side with the original.

BUT, I usually give guys like this a second chamce. The gen public loves this stuff. SM have actually released some promising house tracks on the side; and can perfom live (I've seen them) in either an acoustic or electronic backed performance. And they truly love the BC track (you can see it when they perform it). From what I've heard it's not a record company initiated release - it's purely a cover they put together for fun with their producer that's snapped into the public eye.

Back to your quote about not being "remixed so unrecognisably": Check out the hard house remix of the track which is on their 12" release. I'm a bit biased coz I work around the club scene a bit (yeah, club fashion makes me smile too!) BUT this track is damn fine. Even the funky mixes are pretty good value.

I'm sure they all have offical "remix" names by now but I heard remix version back when it was an unmastered test CD-R, and it was jaw dropping. Fat huge bass and crunchy hats pounding out sounding nothing like the original, but strangly vaguely inspired by the original. Then the vocals kick in; and it's totally screwed up. (The producer behind it helps.) Good on 'em for releasing a version that will get some respect in circles outside the Top 40 zone.

You might not like the dance version; and I agree that adding a dance edge has lost some of the charm in the translation. (I still own the BC original on tape!) I think these gals deserve some cred for having a shot though. Good luck to 'em. I certainly won't be trading in my Promo copy (when it arrives) - it's going to be dropped somewhere in town by at least one person. (the remix of the remix that is)

Now release one of your own tracks gals!!! Show us what your own souls can produce.

(I'm sure you will shoot me down for disagreeing with you jess!)

Aww, now ZX - that's not totally fair. I don't shoot anyone down just because they disagree with me (check out the Craig Nicholls article in the archives) - hell, disagreement and debate is a good thing so I don't mind if people don't just say "Oooh Jess, you're brilliant and what lovely boozies you have". Contrary to popular belief (probably my own included), I don't write for ausculture.com simply to help increase my ever expanding ego. It's just my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

That said, if someone comes on and their entire argument consists of "ur a fuckwit!@!! u wuldnt no talent if it bit u in the arse lolol!!! bitch!" then of course I'm going to shoot them down. That's not debate, that's acting like an utter cunt.

You, on the other hand, have chimed in to our discussion making valid points, without resorting to abuse and generally being a champ - despite the fact you disagree with my assessment of the track. I have no problem with that whatsoever. I promise you, if Slinkee Minx release something that changes my mind, ausculture.com readers will be the first to hear about it.

I don't use ausculture.com as a place to sledge anyone and everyone I see in order to either make myself feel better, or simply to draw attention and gain hits to the site. I like to think that while occasionally I'm negative about certain things I see appear in popular culture, more often that not I'm also saying something positive about something else. Being critical of something loses its power if you're critical about everything.

Feel more than welcome to contribute to any discussion here ZX (and that goes for the rest of you too!) regardless of whether you agree or disagree with anything Patrick or I say.

We're not going to tell you to fuck off elsewhere. At the same time though, we do ask that responses are remotely intelligent and actually contribute something to the discussion rather than just contain abuse and "shut the fuck up, u wouldn't know what ur talkin bout!"

As for the own track bits - I'm slowly but surely working on it. Songs are written, just need to sort out a band (I'm far too insecure to be a solo performer, methinks) Of course, I may well be a talentless idiot who also deserves a few insults directed my way. Time will tell!

Zx makes a lot of valid points here ... and if you don't like the music Jess, that's fair enough .. and u do admit you are no expert in the music arena .. so thats fair enough , personal preference

I'm afraid however that I disagree with whether or not it is better than the original ... The original I think was done by someone else... Maria Vidal ..

As someone in the Mus. and I.T industry I think that majority will rule here with the SM version ... I think you will find that it will outsell and outchart Belinda's version.

AS for your comments to ZX Jess about not sledging someone... ??

Jess Said:"Who knew modelling was an art form? (“I did!” - A Thousand Pretentious Models. “Fuck off and binge, will you?” - Jess)"

and

Jess Said:"Apparently this abortion of a single is being released on the 9th of August"

And

Jess Said:"I’d expect from a group who had the gall to touch Belinda innapropriately, like liquored up Christian Brother at a Scout jamboree."

Then the sledging continued from Adam: "Since when do plastic bimbos from Melbourne count as musical talent…"

mmm .. I don't know what the Slander laws are, but I'd say these comments are pretty close to slander ...

At days end I think the People of Australia will decide whether this is a valid remake or not ... Belinda's got as high as number 6 ... with a little more backing than I think SM had...

Dev.

ps. yes I have the original BC song the greatest hits album and a couple of 12" ... including Summer Rain

You misunderstand me. I meant I don't sledge someone when they disagree with me in the comments section. Making a general joke in the direction of "Pretentious Models" would hardly count as sledging unless you ARE a pretentious model... and even then, I am forced to go back to the fact it was a rather obvious joke.

Then you mention my reference to "an abortion of a single". Again, a joke (I was being melodramatic as part of my role of Official Belinda Defendererer...) Also once again, I should remind you that the comment was not directed at someone who had disagreed with me in the comments section thus my "no sledging unless overly provoked" motto stands.

Scout Jamboree = melodramatic joke (again) and not directed at commenter who had disagreed without abuse (again)

Adam's comments = directed at someone who had acted in an abusive manner beforehand, and was a direct reply to a direct comment made at him.

You like the word "slander" don't you? I think you'll find having a negative opinion isn't actually legally considered slander but hey, I'm not a lawyer.

Without wanting to sound terribly bad against the people of Australia (and possibly earning myself a conviction for slander - JOKE) I don't think the Top Thirty is neccessarily a reliable indicator of quality product, especially with the record company manipulations that are so prevalent in the chart single business.

I also want to say I didn't claim to be an expert in dance music but I am an avid music listener, a musician myself, so I think my opinion is valid. Just as yours is. Again, it's all subjective!

I am curious however how your work in the IT industry reflects somehow on your capacity to judge a Belinda Carlisle cover?!

Also - I believe that Maria Vidal (along with Robbie Seidman) wrote the song but the original was still performed by Belinda Carlisle.

I feel almost proud about how much a Belinda Carlisle-related topic has generated conversation! Bring Back Belinda! (and not on a dodgy English cooking competition)

Doesn't matter what any of us think i guess...

ARIA Charts 16/8/2004

No 5 - Slinkee Minx - Summer Rain

ARIA Dance Charts 16/8/2004

No 1 - Slinkee Minx - Summer Rain ..

Guess I know something about music...

Good logic. Over 99 billion served at McDonalds... I guess they know something about food.

Hahahahaha - whatever you say, dev67 - no shithouse song has ever hit number one :)

I jest I jest... Can I admit something?

I really don't care all that much about Slinkee Minx, either in the good sense or the bad sense. I was just bored on a Thursday afternoon and felt like writing a bit of a tongue-in-cheek, mock-indignation filled blog entry. Mostly it's because I love Belinda, but also because the Slinkee Minx biography, with its mention of modelling as an artistic endeavour, made me chuckle. I didn't expect anyone to even bother to read it, let alone get riled up about it and try to defend the pop group!

I still like the original better, and I AM sick of constant trance rehashes of old songs, but I really do not feel passionately enough about Slinkee Minx's version to continue debating about it, bless. Now, John Howard's foreign policy, Karl and Susan Kennedy's breakup, Australian Idol - these things I will passionately debate with you. :)

I do find it quite sweet though that you've come back here to continue to champion the Slinkee Minx cause. If all of Australia love it then I don't quite understand why proving a point with ausculture.com matters so much... unless secretly, deep deep down... you think it's a little shit too?

In any case, my dear friend Will from Fop. put forward a marvellous argument in support of Slinkee Minx via email so I feel I'll abandon this thread altogether from now on and let bygones be bygones.

xxx

Guess I know something about music…

Well, you ARE employed in the IT industry. I believe that's how Glenn A. Baker got his start...

NOW THAT was a call! zing

God bless you, Jess. The world needs more Belinda Carlisle lovers like yourself.

I run Belinda-Carlisle.com, and I was Googling for some Belinda stuff when I found your site and this immensely well-written article. Congrats!

And yeah, Maria Vidal and Robbie Seidman (R.I.P.) wrote the song, but Belinda Carlisle was the original performer. After hearing the Slinkee Minx, I wish she was the ONLY performer.

I do wonder why so many have bought tickets to the finals of WWF Slinkee Minx Smackdown 2005?

Don't get me wrong I totally agree with the aforementioned comments - this remix IS cheese on a stick but in an odd sort of way it pays homage to Belinda's song. If you're still flogging it there must be some mileage left? (think : horse - no that makes it worse! think DEAD horse : )

I say lets all gather in a circle, hold hands and embrace this new, while not improved, version of a classic song. Let the kids of today listen to the sounds of Belinda's voice at 120% playback speed sprinked with phatt beatz. Jess you KNOW its like chinese food enhanced with MSG. Yes its totally synthetic but isnt it always tasty? : )

just for that bitch whos baging auzzies alot of us have jobs and are erning a living, so shut up u stupid hoe and look at urself! may i ask what the fuck you do for a living? get over your self.

What are the slinky mix summer rain lyrics:D!

I'd say they'd be the same as the Carlisle version no?

Except that there's a very persuasive subliminal "this is a horrible bastardisation of the original" message in the Slinkee Minx version.

tell me max you waouldn't happen to know another melbourne dj called Dj johnnyL do you? Thanks for sticking up for the band.i have just discovered this web site now im too late but it dont matter.

Is that what the fuck you think?That word is bastardisation that word can be applied to you. You are knocking off my sisters band.Who the fuck do you think you are?If your got something to say then come find me i work in the dance industry as a d.j.I would like to see your sister have a number 1 gold record in the aria dance charts and have another hit single called CLOSER.For your poor pathetic ignorant thinking about Summer Rain it will be released in over 50 countries soon. My sister has professional voice training i like to see you get up and sing your ugly ass off. And their album will be released in March.

to all the critics who are putting shit on my sisters band you do not know nothing about talent these girls have worked very hard to get where they are today.They are not just preety faces they have been writing all their own songs.

And thanks to Dj Max you are 1 cool dude keep the vibe and rock on you have intelligence compared to the fuckwits in this forum.

So the next time anyone posts a fucked comment about Slinkee Minx you fucken losers better watch it because every time you post a message i will have people knocking back at you comming from left right and centre you wouldn't no what hit you if you all stuck your finger up ur pathetic smelly assholes.You are all are laughing stock

Hahaha.

That's excellent. A perfect way to close this topic. Could you type that up, sign it, scan it and email it to me? Thanks.

HA!

Best enraged comment EVER in the HISTORY of ANYTHING!

It was the gratuitous violence that clinched it. I mean, being a disgrace to Australia, its culture and its people was one thing. But hearing you called a "bastardisation" just surpasses that.

I feel bad about disliking a song by her preety sister, I do, really - but I'm perplexed as to how we're meant to track down xxx to discuss this further.

Is there only one dance industry dj? Will these instructions be enough? I don't wanna get lost in Melbourne.

And it's a scary world when DJ Max has intelligence compared to everyone else who commented on Slinkee Minx.

Well, I'm off to lube my finger. Patrick, please continue being the bastardisation that you are.