June 9, 2004

Besides Craig Nicolls being a absolute tool bag, the vines would have to be one of the most over-rated aussie bands ever.. I mean they had one decent single "get free" but the rest is complete bullocks!!! Hopefully they put us all out of our misery and break up!!

I would say that The Vines had three great songs - Get Free, Outtathaway and Highly Evolved - but everything else I found completely overrated. I mean, three brilliant tunes on a debut album is nothing to scoff at, but the future of rock tag was a little premature. Everything I've heard from the second album isn't anything to write home about, but perhaps there's a hidden gem on there I'm yet to hear? I doubt it though.

We're lucky Taw doesn't have internet access or he'd be well up for an argument over the talent factor of The Vines!

Craig looks and more importantly acts like he is twelve years old. His songs are me, me, me, woe is me, she doesnt love me anthems which really have very little talent behind them.

Honestly - he isnt good enough to be allowed to get away with Prima-ing.

HEY WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG HERE? CRAIG NICHOLLS IS GREAT! HE'S NOT ACTING WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HIM TO BE POSTING THOSE FUCKING NONSENSES YOU WRITE, GO GET A FUCKING JOB PEOPLE, CRAIG IS MAD, HE'S LOONEY, HE'S OUT OF CONTROL SO WHAT? WHO CARES? JUST FUCK IT ALL UP AND GO STUFF YOUR FINGERS RIGHT UP YOUR ASSES FUCKING BULLOCKS.

Thanks for the enlightening feedback.

I think Jess has touched a nerve with her little article about young Craig.. haha

...GODNESS!! Honestly, Craig puts all his energy into his music. Han he is himself all the time. THIS is completly bollocks, not the band, Craig or the music! I guess who ppl haven't even heard both of the albums.

My only response will be that yes, I have heard the music - while normally I form opinions with as little as possible actual information at hand, this time I actual have listened to stuff and researched. Sort of.

Winning Days is a fucking boring song, by the way. I am ready for an onslaught of abuse.

PS: Do any of you own "Kurt Cobain - RIP" tshirts? And did you start wearing them around 1998 in order to ensure everyone around you realised just how 'alternative' you are?

I personally liked the 'Winning Days' album. It's nothing that I would call genius or whatever but it is a good album. I also personally like Craig Nicholls and even though he tends to act like a spoiled brat on and off stage, I don't think he's untalented or necissarily a fake. I honestly think he has some major insecurity issues or something that make him act like he's flippin retarded. Whatever the reason, I do think he's a good song writer and when he actually tries he can put on an excellent live show. Overall The Vines are a really good band, 'the future of rock' maybe stretching it a little, but they certainly aren't as horrible as everyone seems to think.

By the way, last time I checked my closet was 'Kurt Cobain' apparel free. In case anybody cared.

Aly, I wouldn't have expect YOU to have a Kurt Cobain tshirt. After all, you're able to discuss the issue intelligently, form actual sentences, and give your opinion without the need for excessive caps or abuse. It's the ones who can't STAND the idea of anyone not agreeing with their stance on their idol and who can't communicate without sounding like a Tourette's suffering SMS addict that I worry about.

I agree with you that he's obviously a good song writer when he puts the hard yards in. I don't own the second album admittedly (Ride and Winning Days singles just didn't float my boat) but I did enjoy a few of the songs on the first one that I own.

And I also agree with you regarding Nicholls insecurity - I speculated that myself. But after selling as many albums as he has, after the accolades and great reviews, you'd think he'd at last give his punters decent shows a MAJORITY of the time. It's the eye thing, it just drives me insane :)

I recently talked to someone who went to the Triple M gig and she said that alot of Craig's antics onstage are from him reacting to the way the crowd is treating him. She said the crowd was very disrespectful because they were chatting incessantly throughout the enire set! The band was trying to handle it the best they could. At the beginning of the set, Craig had asked them go outside if they wanted to talk, but they just kept it up, and even started cussing at them. A guy in the crowd told Craig to f**k off. They put up with alot of crap. That's why Craig has hissyfits. He's reacting the only way he knows how. As far as their new cd is concerned, I adore it. Yes, it hints of his love for Nirvana, but that's what I love so much about The Vines! Think of it this way, he's in the shadow of Kurt Cobain and everyone is crucifying him for it. Now he thinks he's got to live up to the hype! He's strugggling with all of that, plus the way he gets dicked around by so called fans, how the hell do you expect him to act? This isn't the sermon on the mount. It's Rock N' Roll Baby!

uberwanker is the word however....I think we all wanted another nirvana deep down.but the vines are missing something on that front to think they can pull it off is almost insulting.they have the potential not to be soo ballbag.i get the impression that the other mebers of the band think he is a bit of a prick when he wrecks the songs and puts on the insecure cobain wasted facade. i like their stuff the CD was great..very old school seattle scene stuff.but they are an under rehearsed ozzie garage band.

Hm. This is going to take a while, but oh well.

What Bon-Bon said is true, the crowd was extremely rude and disrespectful to the band at the Annandale session. Craig did not choose to do the garage session with Triple M, his management and the station did. The people there were not Vines fans, except maybe a select few. They just came because they most likely thought: "Oh famous people let's go see them to do something with our lame-ass lives!" Those people won tickets off Triple M. Craig has a short temper. He's a very friendly guy, but if you aren't friendly, he'll be unfriendly right back.

The audience was talking ignorantly during their opening of Outtathaway, and it was nearly impossible to hear what Craig was singing correctly, due to people shouting to hear their friend's voices over the music. Craig halted the band and asked that they go outside to talk, they said no. Craig asked several times, politely, that they leave. Their answer remained as no. Craig got mad. Hamish, the drummer was tense as well, appalled that the crowd would not shut up. Patrick, the bass-player and Craig have had a certain tension between each other ever since an onstage fight last year. Craig, becoming enraged, unplugged Patrick's bass. Patrick walked offstage, got a beer, and joined the crowd. This exemplifies inner problems with the band, Craig doesn't become a jackass for no reason. Another thing, the Aussie Invasion Tour had only just ended, the band was extremely tired in the first place. All throughout the "gig" the crowd continued to chat, completely ignoring Craig, who by then was sitting down, making buzzing noises with his guitar - bored. Craig does NOT like having pictures of him taken unless he has given consent, no one told him there would be a photographer there. A photographer stuck the camera so it was aimed at Craig's face, and snapped the only photo that would be taken that night. Craig lashed out and destroyed the camera in a very Craig-like manner. Craig himself knows he falls into lapses of extreme immaturity, as shown with the camera kicking. But... Which great rockstar (not saying that Craig is great... yet) has NEVER done anything outrageous or "wrong"? Normal people do worse every day. People are dying every day, because other people shot them, chopped their heads off, dropped a bomb on their home (I hate my country's government, by the way). Why can't Craig break some guy's camera in a fury of emotion? Yes, he's a destructive guy at times, but I believe the media just loves to tear him apart, out of desperation. They have nothing else to pick on, MTV has taken the job of destroying Britney Spears' reputation. How the fuck would you feel if you knew there were hundreds of articles saying you're a twat, an idiot, a psycho? Not too great for your self esteem. All Craig is doing is being himself, he didn't tell anybody he wanted to be Kurt Cobain, or anybody for that matter. The media thought it up themselves. He likes Nirvana. A lot. So what? Because his music draws ties to his biggest influence, he has to live up to Kurt's limits? No. He shouldn't, but that's what people's minds twist the truth into to make a story juicy. For what? Personal enjoyment? Maybe. But really, what's the reason? Money. Ah. They don't give a shit about Craig's life, they just squeeze everything out of him to make money, and make better of their own. They took advantage of the "hype" around the Vines, and it has deteriorated them into the state they are now. Almost no more. And, to add to all these problems, the Vines record label treats them like dog shit. Capitol snatched them out of the air in 2002, then shoved them aside for their returning heroes, the Beastie Boys. Alongside Yellowcard, Radiohead, Coldplay, and the newbies Steriogram. All of those bands are a hell of a lot bigger than the Vines at the moment, I wonder why? Because of record sales. The Vines' second album, Winning Days, is in my opinion, a great album that was overlooked because too many new artists broke through all at once. They chose the wrong time to let it loose, or it's just the usual second album syndrome. What I'd really like to see is Jet's second album. They seem to have put all they've got into their debut, Get Born, and what are they doing at the moment... Getting drunk and laid? Hm. Their album may be selling millions, raved over by reviewers, and wooing fans into a frenzy, but what will happen when Jet is too hungover to write more? To actually keep the band together? Jet have already threatened to break up several times, I didn't see that plastered everywhere two days after. Oh, nothing has happened with the Vines lately... BING! Oh they're gonna break up! Frontman Nicholls smashes man's camera in a violent fit of random rage! Streeetttchhh. Oh, Jet is amazing, touring while supporting their multi-million selling debut, and STILL having time to sleep! Jet has threatened to break up. Well anyway, Jet has sold over a million records! Et cetera, et cetera. Jet and the Vines, no matter how much either band denies it, are in truth - rivals. Jet seems to be winning at the moment. Overall, the accumulation of bad press over the Vines, bad performances, and Craig's wild self composure are a revolutionary turning point that EVERY band known to man HAS to go through at some point. It's just that the Vines were definitely over-hyped. NME's fault, I'm sad to say. The Vines did not bite off more than they could chew, it was the media that was holding the spoon, and shoved it down their throats. Think what you want about their music, everyone is allowed to have opinions, but please, don't throw them down anymore. Give them a break, for once. It hurts me, very much, to see my favourite band trashed left and right.

Maya, don't worry about taking your time - we're not the Sydney Morning Herald and we certainly don't edit letters for size and length. You can feel free to speak your mind here as long as it's done intelligently and doesn't contain the words "SHuT uP U FukNNN COKsuKErS CRAG RoOolZ!" more than three times...

I'm no journalist, I just write for a blog. I write about my opinion, right or wrong, and that's all I really know. Every story I'd ever read on the Annandale gig (and other than the ones I'd linked there, I'd gone through dozens more various articles from around the world and in Sydney) never mentioned anything about the crowd being anything less than respectful fans.

I'm not accusing you of making it up (the opposite! I'm just trying to work out why none of this made the mainstream press!) but can I ask - were you at the gig? Just need to establish whether this is a primary source or a secondary source talking.

About me. As I've mentioned before, I own the first Vines album (and no, not due to being spoon fed it by the media, though I must admit I always keep an ear out for bands breaking overseas since being in Australian sometimes means we find out about great bands a few months behind other countries). I really liked it. But there's one thing that drives me mental in life and in music, and that's pretension. My love affair for the Vines died when I saw footage of them live and I thought they sounded ordinary (deejay's quote "under rehearsed ozzie garage band" is about on track) and Craig was acting like a complete wanker. I was disappointed.

Watching Craig sing, I thought "Why have people paid money to hear this?!" Overly nasal and whiny tones, like he was taking the piss. Rolling his eyes back in his head and making stupid facial expressions. I thought "The boy HAS the songs, why is he bothering with that shite act?!"

So you can see, the concept of the Vines being a band with infinite potential but sidetracked by clichéd rock n roll antics wasn't new to me by the time the Annandale story broke. By that stage, I was bored and tired and quite frankly sick of seeing Craig's mug in every newspaper in the country. Not his fault (the newspapers choosing to run the story), I grant you. But I'm just a writer of shite, not a journalist, this is a blog, not a national newspaper. I churned out an opinion piece about how fed up I was with the Vines (and yes, probably the Vines hype which to an extent can only be blamed on the media) and didn't really have the time nor money afforded to those proper journalists we all love from the national newspapers to go out searching for someone who was at the gig and hear what they had to say.

What I didn't realise is that my good friend Google has ensured this page is in the top 5 sites of stuff that comes up when you enter "Craig Nicholls" into the search engine. I really thought you'd have to enter "Craig Nicholls, Vines, twat, salivating, contrived, pissed off, Annanndale..." - you get the point - before ausculture.com's rant about Craig appeared. So I understand this is probably the beginning of a barrage of Vines fans and they're not going to be happy with what I wrote. I can't do much about that :)

Granted, new versions of events from the gig itself that infamous night are appearing in the comments section and they perhaps give a greater insight into why Craig Nicholls snapped at his audience. However my rant on ausculture.com, whilst talking a hell of a lot about the Annandale gig and listing a load of newspaper reports referring to it, wasn't just about that night. It was also about the generally below par quality of the Vines live from what I've seen. And how it's a shame, cos there's obviously some talent there. I haven't liked what I've heard from Winning Days so far and unfortunately I don't look likely to hear the rest of the album since I'm too poor to go and buy an entire record out of curiosity these days. If that changes, I buy it, and I discover that it's brilliant, you'll be the first to hear about it.

Oh, one more thing. I've been to another gig (not the Vines) where the lead singer had a hissyfit because the audience wasn't looking at him and were still talking. Arseholish behaviour from a bands point of view, I understand, and probably also from the point of view of an avid fan there to soak in their idol\s. But what I said then is what I said now - you're a band, you've been paid to play, not to get worshiped. You have to earn that crowd's respect by the way you perform your songs. I guarantee you, if the performance on stage is blistering and great, the audience won't be talking to each other, they'll be mesmerised by the band. Not even an in depth discussion on the state of Karl and Susan Kennedy's marriage would get them looking away. Too many bands assume that just because they're onstage, this is automatically hero worship time. It doesn't happen like that. I can't speak for the Triple M gig (which sounds mostly like a bunch of suits turning up to a business meeting held in a pub), but most other gigs are not just fans going to a pub to see a band - they're also an excuse for friends to get together, to see each other, and yes - maybe even talk. Don't want them to talk? Don't want them focused on their friends? Start playing, crank up the volume, make it a performance to remember (for the right reasons) and you'll get the attention you want. Pleas of "Shut up! I'm in a band!" and general abuse won't cut the mustard, alas.

Lastly - I too apologise for length. I would have posted a new article but looks like Craig fans are just heading here and I wanted to explain myself a little.

Look guys i know the last time i wrote was sort of really unpolite and stuff, you know Jess, you really got it when you said all the things i read on your message for the Vine's singer Craig Nicholls who i don't love or adore but is one of my biggest inspirations to write my own songs and poetry, i like the vines and i love their music, i love winning days and i love all the album, i don't consider it's boring and i think if you like some of the songs of the vines you sould not come here to say this and that about their "twatish" singer, i know i was sort of rude and probably people thought the worst about me but i'm simply someone that can accept the fact that my idols are not the best of the world but friends KURT COBAIN IS FUCKING DEAD SO MOVE ON AND DON'T TAKE IT BACK AT NICHOLLS CAUSE' IT'S NOT FAIR. that was all and SORRY!

You can like some of someones music and still think they're a twat, Sirii. In fact, many fucksticks in the music industry have been responsible for musical gems.

I appreciate that you're trying to apologise for your all-caps anger fest earlier on, but your apology seems a little confused. You still don't want me to have my own opinion but you're apologising for telling me I couldn't have my own opinion earlier when you wrote it all in caps?

Listen, at the end of the day it's a matter of taste, isn't it? And that's purely subjective. I look at Craig's stupid eye thing that he does while singing and think "What a cockstick!". You look at it and think "Inspiration!"

The fact is, it's not worth getting so worked up over someone's opinion of your idol unless of course you think there's some truth behind the words I wrote. Otherwise, why bother caring at all? Set up a blog of your own, write a massive article about how brilliant Craig is and all of his good points, and like-minded people will find you and no doubt begin a Craig-lovefest in your comments! Result!

In the meantime, hearing that he's your favourite person ever and you love his music, while interesting, isn't really going to change my mind about Craig behaving like a twat during stage shows. Only Craig can change that opinion.

Truer words have never been spoken. (Ok they probably have but I can still say it if I want)

Hi again, You know Jess, i don't know if you got me wrong when i said the things i said before i like the vines for their music not only Craig, i think they are a really good band and of course that depends in musical tastes 'cause The Vines have been compared to Nirvana and stuff and you know i don't really find any kind of look alike thing in the bands, and in fact i don't really like Nirvana, you know what pisses me off for real is when people starts posting things about artists i like which sometimes i might think myself they are cocks and stuff but you know i usually center my attention in the music and the voice, i don't have preferences in that sence i can listen from The Vines to The Rasmus and then pass to Good Charlotte and some fans that like Good Charlotte might not like Simple plan or something, i don't wanna change your mind on Craig, COME ON! i mean he's no guru, i just think that day i was too rude and of course that i respect your opinion, i consider myself and adult and i can accept when i've made a mistake, i don't know Craig personally and my friends keep asking me what would i do if i got to meet him and he treated me like a piece of shit, you know i would just give it back freak and let it go, i give a damn in Craig is twatish and i don't pretend to change the world or start sort of a "protect Craig Nicholls" assosiation simply because i don't know his real feeling i don't know what his childhood was like, weather he suffered or not i just know he'r sort of nuts and if he's been a brat to you, well, move on, just try to look a little bit more that your sight reach and try not to take it on people for the first impression they show, or behaviors you see, you might not know how a person is until you get to know it, thanks for responding the message i sent i was feeling really bad you know, probably now we can be friends? BYE AND TAKE CARE GUYS THE VINES RULEZZZZ!

I appreciate your support, Pauly old chum :P

I try to respond to all messages directed specifically towards me when I have time, so no problems in replying. I figure if someone takes time out of their day to write something for me to read, the least I can do is pay them the same courtesy.

We can be on friendly terms now that we've agreed to put aside our Craig Nicholls differences and concurred that opinions are a varied thing, and that's why they're so interesting. You're most welcome to stick around ausculture.com regardless as to whether or not we like or dislike the same bands.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I'LL WRITE BACK SOON.

O.K this is it, any fan of THE VINES OUT THERE? can you please tell me how the heck can i find good pictures of the vines, this is serious i mean i don't expect to get something insulting on them i just wanna know how can i get HIGH QUALITY pics of the guys, i have searched the whole internet and couldn't find any, FUCK! if you reader are a fan of the vines and have some of this pictures i'm looking for CAN YOU PLEASE SEND THEM TO ME BY MAIL, I DON'T PRETEND TO POST THEM I DON'T OWN A WEB PAGE I JUST WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE VINES 'CAUSE, WELL I'M A FAN OF THEM WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY, PLEASE ANY HELP WILL BE WELCOME. THANKS

HEY SORRY FOR MY STUPIDITY MY MAIL IS Idaliaplaza@hotmail.com THANKS FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN PROVIDE, BYE AND TAKE CARE

No need to shout mate

I think you might have more luck, say - oh, I don't know - on an actual Vines fan page? I mean, surely people who go to a Vines fan site or yahoo group or something would actually have Vines stuff to swap and send, as opposed to a site who have written one article on The Vines? Best of luck though.

Thanks Jess for your support even though you don't really like the Vines, and Pauli I'M NOT SHOUTING MAN DON'T BE AN ASS, just kidding sorry about the caps thing i just wanted to make sure that the reader got to read my message in any case there is someone that can help me with this, didn't mean to offend anyone, bye. TAKE CARE GUYS EH! EH!

That's pauly with a Y.

Which is the problem you have with me man? whatever is going through your head let it behind i don't want to argue about stupid things like a mistake in your name, oh! wait i'm doing it, well anyway you seem to have a problem with me BECAUSE OF THE FACT I USED CAPS UP THERE leave that behind and let's better stop this now, i always come here and find out now you have this constant urge to answer back to me i'm not messing up with you son stop picking on me now, HI JESS HOW ARE YOU DOING? I HOPE YOU ARE FINE, So am i, by using the caps i'm not screaming O.K i just want you to read fine, sorry about that PAULY

By the way i made a mistake about your name Pauli because i was thinking about Pauli From THE RASMUS, I love the Rasmus, does anyone there like the Rasmus, they are a finish rock band, Lauri Ylonen is the front man of the band and their video In the Shadows was number one in my country last month, now they have a new one, Guilty, it's great too, I LOVE THE RASMUS AND THE VINES, See they have nothing in common, my tastes are really varied.

I was just having a bit of fun with ya syryy

Cool "POYLI" Let's just take it as eh! eh! you know i got a good sense of humour. Do you like the Rasmus?

I don't really have an opinion on rasmus.

Cool, i do think they are great!

-ponders- Hum. No, Jess, I was not present at the Annandale performance, although I wish I was. The Vines can be shit sometimes, even, as you say, most of the time, but they can also put on a blistering show (I never really noticed the eye thing you're talking about, but is it how is left eyelid sometimes becomes half-closed? I found that sort of endearing, but okay...) Besides, I don't really think live performing matters, the only reason anyone does it is for promotion, in my opinion. Although seeing a band live is great fun. Yes. In other news, I ensured that all of my information was set upon a sturdy base. I mainly rely on the-vines.net forum and news postings, not thevines.com 'official' forum, because the news postings on that freaking website is so outdated it's ridiculous. They didn't even post anything about the Vines' support on the Incubus US '04 tour being cancelled (an impacting disappointment, but I still love the Vines. Incubus were superb on 6/24). The official forum focuses mainly on unanswered random questions (what does he say at the beginning of blah blah blah) and "OMG!!!11 CrAiG is LyKE SO HOT!", or the more interesting topics about other bands. Capitol is a horrible label, in my opinion. Anyway, I felt comfortable posting that information because the staff on the-vines.net are more updated (or less LAZY) than the officials, and several of the staff members are regularly in contact with the band and it's management. Unless they make a whole bunch of shit up. Which would piss a lot of people off. But anyway, the reason I said what I did before is because the media tends to focus on the negatives, and I was trying to add in a few more positives. Craig most definitely shrinks to a 13 year old from time to time, but he is a very intelligent man, in my opinion. With the Kurt Cobain thing (I love Nirvana, by the way), Craig and the Vines' bassist Patrick Matthews were nearly obsessed with Nirvana as teenagers. Both their listening ranges in terms of style have expanded greatly since then. Craig even listens to the Chemical Brothers; in fact, he once stated "Under the Influence" as one of his favourites. He's obsessed with a great band called MUSE, and was so happy that he poured a pail of water over his head when a D.J. played a Supergrass song in a New York club. So, he's really not trying to follow in Kurt's footsteps by any means, he just writes and composes some music that relates to Nirvana, basically because Nirvana are the granddaddy of alternative rock. And, the single they're most known for ("Get Free") sounded like it was directly derived from Nirvana. I'm just glad they didn't say Nickelback or something like that. I really don't think any of the Vines' music sounds like Nirvana. Strange. Oh dear, I'm taking a very long time again, so you can stop reading if you like. I just need to ask a question, anyone can answer: Does anyone like Jet? I personally despise them, particularly for their "Are You Gonna Be My Girl" tune, mainly because the main riff is used in several other songs, most of which for commercials or television programs (a Carnival cruises commercial, and the 'theme song' to a new Music Television show, called "Wanna Come In"). And, I find them to be complete arseholes, more specifically the drummer, Chris Cester...

Well, buh bye.

Nuts, JET SUCKS! IT DOESN'T HAVE STYLE IT'S SO MUCH LIKE SEEING A BAD COPY OF THE STROKES WHICH IS ANOTHER MATTER TO WORRY SO YOU TELL ME, I JUST THINK JET SUCKS AND I CAN'T RELY TO JERKS OF THAT CATEGORY

by the way Maya, I also love THE VINES AND THINK THEY ARE AWESOME, i always try to stand for them when my friends say they are a copy of NIRVANA cause' i've heard Nirvana and the vines it's not totally iqual to it, not even similar, I mean Nirvana was a great band i never liked, and i really like the vines so how can it be? anyway i love the Vines and if they like Nirvana maybe someday i'll listen to it too. PEACE OUT EVERYONE

i agree with you and everything that you just said. craig is who he is and so what if he's fucked up, his music is the among the most amazing music thati , and alot of other people, have ever heard so just shut the fuck up!

actually, the official forum did have information about the vines cancelling the tour with incubus, but it is overloaded with shit like you said "lyke OMGZZ CRaiG S HOTTY!"....but its getting better.

Criag is who he is, and i don't think that what he does is an act, maybe some of the time when hes onstage, but that's what music is about, or live performance anyway....all musicians are acting on stage, they are just normal people too, but when they are onstage to put on a good show, they act a bit. Craig is a very shy person, you can tell if you have read any interview with him, and i don't think he really knows what he "should" be doing, to be a "true" rockstar. If you ask me, the vines have just had a whole heap of press, and media exposeure (sp?) when they were just originally a band who had played a few pub gigs, not big outdoor festivals. They are just doing what they know, they are humble Sydney boys....with a few minor quirks. :P The albums are great, in my opinion, because i love the vines, and isn't it all about the music? if so, their music, but no means can be dissmissed at "SHIT" because it's not. how ever much 50 cent you listen too, they are still (the vines) good "rock and roll" songs. plus it's not as if no other "rockstar" has done this before.......the sex pistols? Jim Morrison? there are heaps! let him be crazy and sometimes a tad annoying and ego-whatever. Thats who he is, and no everyone is perfect, it must be hard to deal with all this fame that came so quickly. He has done some stupid things (the annandale) and others, to screw up the media and make them turn against them, but hes a tad "daft" i think, not stupid, but he cares more about music than anything else, so....

ahh well, i love the vines, and i guess other people have different opinions, not everyone can love them...so have fun liking whoever you like.... :)

http://vinesfans.proboards33.com/index.cgi

There are some Ok pictures here.

To compare Nicholls to Cobain is an insult to everything Nirvana and Cobain stood for. Kurt didn't give a flying fuck whether his performances were perfect or not. All he cared about was that he was giving it his all and that his heart was in the right place.

yeeeeeeeeee, you all are very funny, i love me and nowi love myself even MORE!!! thank you

Erm, I said Craig appeared to be trying to emulate Kurt Cobain, I didn't say anything about the two being equal in talent. Deep breaths, Krystal.

PS: How's Shaggy going?

get over it people. Anyone who is australian should be proud of the boys. and so fucking what if he is a little loopy? He's famous, your not. Like he gives a fuck what a few "no names" think of him. haha! Get something better to do with ur time rather than dissing a band who clearly DONT GIVE A FUCK.

I dont care wat the fuck u all say, craig is who he is n no one with stupid opions n comments can change it! who cares if hes a bit of a nutter! he writes great music and his voice is wonderful.

Craig I like u the way u r!

"..he should fucking stop it and begin giving his fans what they paid for .." ok put aside all the bad reviews from CRITICS that probably dont even like the vines, ive hardly heard a bad review FROM THE FANS about any concert the vines have ever put on... I saw them at homebake 03, all the reviews i read were saying that it was a terible peformance, but it was far from it. Craig is a individualist (is that a word? u know waht i mean) we like him for who he is, unpredictable and full of energy, everyone has their bad days, ok and the annandale was a bad day for craig, but he had every right to call them sheep, they wernt even fucking fans, all they were was tripple m "freq" club members there for a free concert, fucking sheep. Craig is a great musician, with maybe more energy than other musicians, he acts like an ass on alot of his concerts because he him self says that he absolutly hates touring, but hey, im a fan, i wouldnt have it any other way, and im sure all real fans out there would agree with me. I dont want some dodgey band that sounds exactly the same live as they do on the album..perfect and flawless....no thats not what we want... perfect is good, but it isnt real, it takes take after take to get it right, we want to hear raw live music how its ment to be, and full of personality, which craig has plenty, because thats who the vines are. The press have hardly ever said a good thing about the vines, but its only the fans that can see them for what they are. and actually apreciate it. The vines are great... they are going through a really rough stage at the moment, and they need alot of support, they dont need some fucking reporter slaging on them every chance they can get....

craigs a genius and he sings like a GOD! all his songs are great. all i have to say

there is a lot of rally good pics of the vines look better like go on www.thevines.com then go on there forum then in alotta topix they have photose are stuff yeah/............

i love the vines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"KURT COBAIN IS FUCKING DEAD SO MOVE ON"

That was really disrespectful. I know nothing about this Nicholls guy, I merely read this article 'cause Kurt Cobain was mentioned. And what you said about him is offensive.

Perhaps you should accept both views of any subject matter, be it an Idol or whatnot. You obviously like Nicholls, and it's blatantly obvious that you can't accept any criticism concerning him. However, what you said about Kurt wasn't a criticism about HIM, per se, but the way you expressed that he was dead and people who like him/mention him should move on was a little disrespectful as a whole. Don't you think?

I just needed to say that. =\ Sorry for the late post, just read this article. =|

Omigod the George kiddies have grown up!

Yeah, I suppose the Vines might seem like pretty hot shit to anyone who hasn't seen it before.

I'll have you know, Graham, that The Vines are the most original band EVER and Craig is my God! YES!

PS: No, I have never heard (and have no desire to hear) any band that has recorded anything pre-2001.

The Vines are awesome and yes, Craig can be quite crazy and immature at times, but much of this might be related to the fact that he is suffering from Asperger's Syndrome don't forget, and anyway, who gives a shit, everyone has off days, as someone said earlier on, and no-natter what, i 'm always gonna think that The Vines are the shiznit! THE VINES ROCK MY FOXXY SOX!!!

lauren, 14, tas